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GodKingReiss

aka GKR / Ian

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  • Which one of you is the leading admin here? Because I'm seeing changes in how the wiki is organized that I think are only going to lead to this place being cluttered. And I want to be clear on what the deal is.

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  • Hi hi, for Eren & Co pages the age line in the infobox doesn't appear on source mode yet still shows the character's age, how is that made possible?

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    • Hey! When it comes to character ages, that part of the infobox has been protected in the source code itself in order to prevent unofficial information from being added. To edit character ages, you need to go into "Edit" on Infobox character. About halfway down the code, you'll find the section designated for ages.

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    • Yeah, that's wise xD Alright, thank you. (Don't worry I don't plan to edit anything, I was just curious ^^)

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  • Please do not restore images deleted by staff for ToU issues without discussion. "Nudity" includes bare butts, as in this image.  See the Community Guidelines for more. These are part of the Terms of Use.

    I suggest cropping the image slightly to remove the problem content.

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    • This image wasn't restored without discussion, we have actually had discussions about continuous removals of pictures from this wiki with 3 Fandom Staff members so far: Ducksoup, Jen Burton, and this case, and after the last time I was told that it wouldn't happen again; yet as it can be seen it continues happening and more images are removed from the wiki from time to time as apparently the rest of the Fandom Staff is not informed about this situation.

      I include a copy of our last e-mail for reference:

      Screenshot from 2017-04-08 15-54-58


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    • Hi,

      I will discuss this with Jen next time I'm in the office (which won't be until Tuesday at the earliest)

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    • Hi,

      I've talked to Jen and will restore the image.

      The problem is that this (and the other image I deleted) are very borderline.  Even if they do not portray humans, they are basically identical in form, so we have to act as though they are houman. In fact, even human-like animal forms are treated the same way as humans (if the fur doesn't give a "clothed" look, it's treated exactly as for a human)

      And although, of course, manga can be considered art, that term in the Guidelines is generally used to cover old masters and other similar art.

      However, there are always exceptions, and we are making one here.

      You should be aware though that each time an image is (re)uploaded it is sent to our review tool for screening. That means it's very easy for us to miss that an image has been given a special pass and delete again. I will do my best not to make that mistake, but apologies in advance if that happens.

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  • It looks like I can't reply to the original thread so I guess I'll reply in a new one sorry.

    There's no real relevance in your theoretical idea of removing all pronouns from an article to be quite frank. First, is that it is entirely possible to do so and it still having structure that is grammatically correct. It's done with nouns or titles such as "the scientist, "researcher," "Commander," "Former Squad Leader," and then, of course, using the character's name. If it's executed poorly it could become repetitive but it's not that great a feat to pull off. The effort would be worthwhile to keep true to Isayama's intentions for how Hange is open to interpretation.

    The main reason that the idea of omitting any pronouns isn't a very good rational, anyway, is that they/them/their is not only used by non-binary people but also in 'situations where a gender is not known. A shadowy figure in the distance, an intruder rummaging through drawers in another room, an unexpected visitor at your door, a school mascot or a fursuiter, the owner of a phone you've just found, etc. All of these situations where you don't know who the person is, let alone what gender they are. If you want to refer to the person and have no assumption, then in those cases one uses 'they/them/their.' Because as a pronoun it can refer to multiple people or to a subject with an indeterminable gender. ( Source 1 ) "If somebody lost their child, please head to the front of the store." Somebody could ask you, "Who's at the door," and you might reply, "I'm pretty sure it's a tax collector. I just wish they'd go away already." Or perhaps with the found phone, "I don't know whose phone this is but they're probably really missing it by now. I wonder if I can find a friend of theirs in here who could return it."

    I understand I was wrong trying to say Hanji is canonically non-binary so I see your point with mentioning that rather it is open for the audience to decide independently. What the anime did does not change what was intended though and keep in mind it is adapted from the manga which very purposefully doesn't refer to Hange with gendered words even to the point that Kondasha made sure to remove in the already published translation of volume 5 the moments that used pronouns for Hange for the reprints. ( Source 2 ) Additionally, they were not told that to omit pronouns was the only option. They also could have used pronouns only if they were used in equal amounts. ( Source 3 ) What I was getting at about they/them/their and it' usage being for those with undetermined gender, is that it is not like he, which is strictly masculine, she being strictly feminine, and it's not like xi or ze which are strictly non-binary pronouns. By using they/them/their, you are not using a definitive gender like you are currently with she/her/hers because which it may be used by non-binary/agender people it is not used only for non-binary.

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    • We do use singular "they" for characters of indeterminate gender where it applies, in cases where a character has not yet been revealed. Kodansha has done this in the past as well, notably in the Female Titan arc and in the most recent arc. However, in a way, Hange's gender has already been revealed as whatever the reader interprets. Also, many non-binary individuals prefer "they/them" pronouns, so therefore using "they" pronouns on Hange's page may lead readers to believe that Hange is definitively non-binary without room for interpretation. Since non-manga adaptations have given Hange female pronouns and a majority of the AOT fandom considers Hange to be female, the Wiki has made this one canon exception for the sake of easier readability while also acknowledging the canon contradiction on Hange's article.

      However, there are changes being made to the wiki on a massive scale right now, and we will be able to alleviate or even resolve this issue in the near future. Hange is a character near and dead to our administrator JinxTheFunhouse, and she's been working on reworking Hange's article in a way that excludes as many pronouns as possible, perhaps even all of them. We can assure you that in the near future, she will be dealing with the issue of Hange's gender in article summaries, so it would be best to leave Hange-related articles alone for the time being until Jinx's edits are complete.

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  • Why would you change the pronouns to what the anime imposes on the character who is canonically non-binary in the manga? Does it not make sense to go with what the anime is adapted from?

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    • Hange Zoe isn't necessarily non-binary in the manga. In Isayama's words, Hange is whatever the reader interprets Hange to be, so therefore Hange can be male, female, or non-binary depending on who you ask. Kodansha has followed this rule in their official English translation by not giving Hange any pronouns at all, avoiding them entirely and leaving Hange's gender completely to reader interpretation. However, this doesn't mean that non-binary pronouns are any more correct than male or female pronouns.

      The wiki uses female pronouns on Hange's page and other pages where she appears because the anime designates her as female, which gives us more to work with than the complete lack of an official gender in the manga. Theoretically, all of Hange's pronouns could be removed entirely from all articles where the pronouns show up, but that's a huge and lengthy process that would only result in awkward sentence structure.

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  • Annie vs. Eren <-- This image was deleted and now broken. Saw it when visiting the main page. I don't know how you all handle your images here so just decided to an admin know.

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  • Hi, I am not sure if the editing of List of Characters Page is not allowed to non-administrators. So non-administrators can't edit the List of Characters Page?

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  • Hi there, I took a look at other media pages and I was wondering if the live action and the animated movies could be in the same section (just like in the spin-off animes, there are Chibi Theater and Junior High). 

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    • Dalmatia wrote:
      Hi there, I took a look at other media pages and I was wondering if the live action and the animated movies could be in the same section (just like in the spin-off animes, there are Chibi Theater and Junior High). 

      I don't think the animated movies need to be added to the Other Media pages in the first place, since they're essentially recaps of the anime. Other than that, good work on adding necessary sections!

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    • Alright, and thank you! :) 

      Ah, I just realised this is only the beginning, since there's the stories to write as well ;p Aaand, this is now I remember my other questions. First, do light novels count? And for the second, let's take Keith's OM page for example. Can we add the Lost Girls or Chibi Theater navs or it'd be redundant? I remember I did it for Eren and Annie's but I remove these and it is now I'm asking. *Mental facepalm* 

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    • Yes, light novels are considered material that belongs in Other Media if the character comes from the original manga. And I think the Other Media pages only need the navboxes that appear on the original article. 

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    • Get it! Well, weekend is coming, I'll re-check everything then.

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  • What you are saying is just your interpretation. Is is never said in the manga. They way it is delivers suggests that this is a flashback. It could be very well the year of Zeke's birth. Moreover, all the years I edited had a "c." infront for approximate and "80 years ago also very well could be approximate. You have to change it tomorrow anyways... But yeah, you even blocked non frequently edited page. You are an amazing admin. That was necessary!

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    • I doubt the scenes depicting the announcement of the warrior program and the news from the Owl stating Marley's new motives took place around Zeke's birth when the scene immediately before and after these show Zeke as a growing child. The scene with the Yeagers taking a family photo is accompanied by Grisha's narration, "Just as the world was growing rapidly, a turning point came for the Eldia Restorationists." With this in mind, it seems unnecessary to assume that the following "turning point" was a flashback. If that's your interpretation, you're free to stick to it, but I believe the simplest and most demonstrably accurate interpretation should be presented on this wiki.

      I'm sorry for placing a temporary block the Timeline editing permissions, but I didn't want to continue returning to restore the misinformation you're persistent in adding to the page. If this is a matter of going off of fan translations rather than Kodansha's official English publication, then I can understand that, but Chapter 65 clearly states that all minority bloodlines were affected by the Coordinate mindwipe, with the Ackerman and Asian groups being the only ones to turn against the King rather than complying with his will. That's the information given to us, so that's what's going on the Timeline. 

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  • Hello, GodKingReiss,

    I was wondering that if you can give me the sources for a template used in the AOT home page. That template is right under the introduction and right above the spoiler template.  I need it for another wikia page as I find that template good.

    Do reply. (-:

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