Talk: List of characters

Character

I have a question? Shouldn't Dot Pixis, Rico Brzenska, Kitts Verman, Anka Rheinberger, and Gustav color be red because they belong to Stationary Guard. Because the color yellow don't represent anything. So could you please change it to make it correct.Jennicious (talk) 07:53, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

It was red, but some really funny chap changed it to orange. hfc2X 15:11, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

New Section: Spinoffs

To help with clutter and maybe streamline things, maybe separate the 'Others' folder so all the characters from Prequels could be grouped together?

Or perhaps further group them with Before the Fall characters together and A Choice characters together?

Just my two cents. --Harostar (talk) 09:24, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I've already been thinking about the spin-offs; the problem is that nobody here (me included) cares enough to give them the same amount of attention as the main series so what we are left with is empty articles, there's no point in having links to characters in this list if all it leads to is an article full of nothing.

So here's the deal: Every spin off will get only 3 pages.

1. An overview of the series
2. A list of chapters (volumes) with a very brief summary
3. A list of characters, again, with very brief descriptions

That way, we will have at least something about the spin offs and, at the same time, it won't be too taxing on our time and effort.

Thoughts?  Miskos3 Talk  09:44, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable, for sure. Things may change once stuff begins getting released officially, but it seems other than Levi's spinoff, people just aren't that interested. --Harostar (talk) 10:39, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

IMO it looks weird that spinoff characters are classifed as "others" despite their affliations with above groups. Considering background characters from the main series that no-one really cares about are included there as well... Kiataryu 12:15, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

This was an old discussion started by members who are no longer active. But it's certainly something I've been thinking about editing. Just gotta find where I put the code I was working on for it. EternalLocket (talk) 16:12, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Update

The page is not updated. Some characters, like Reiner and Ymir, are still alive and yet their status is "unknown". I think it should be noted, thank you! LukeAzzariti (talk) 22:02, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

That's right; we don't know if Ymir is alive, but Reiner and Bertolt certainly are. I'm going to update it. Thanks for the info. :)--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 22:13, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Also I think Samuel's status is unknown. LukeAzzariti (talk) 22:14, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, that's right too. It's corrected now. Please let us know if you find another error. You can also edit the articles yourself if you like, but if you have problems editing the templates we can do it for you. :)--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 22:29, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll do whatever it takes to help improving. LukeAzzariti (talk) 22:30, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Change

Hey guys! In my opinion is reduntant to specify they're from the 104th Trainees Squad or Survey Squad because the subtitle says where they're from. Instead of using the color to identify the squads why don't we simply use the green for alive, red for deceased and purple for unknown? Or if you want to make it stay this way, Eren is now part of the Survey Squad so he should be colored blue. What do you think about this?LukeAzzariti (talk) 00:03, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

For your first suggestion, I personally like some of the colors the way they are; but that could just be me. We could always bring it up in the forums and see what others think.

As for the second one; even though Eren, and most of the rest of the 104th, are in the Survey Corps, separating them into the other branches may make it harder for people to find them. For most of the first season, the focus has been on the 104 trainees. Placing them anywhere else would, in my opinion, water down that effect. Not to mention, the characters that would still be left in the section would leave only minor characters who died off within the first couple of episodes/chapters.

If anything was to change color-wise, I'd prefer it to be the Titans color, as well as how we display deceased characters. Because I feel red and dark red are too easy to mix up when looking at the Garrison section. But living Titans and deceased Titans seems even harder to distinguish if you're not paying close enough attention. EternalLocket (talk) 00:23, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! About your second point I didn't mean to move the character, I was thinking about leaving the character where they are (ex. Eren in the 104th T.S. section) but colored with their current squad (ex. Eren in blue).

I agree with your third point. It's really confusing the color of Garrison and the Titans themselves. What about changing the color of Garrison to orange, and of the Titans to black?LukeAzzariti (talk) 02:05, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

My bad, I hadn't thought of it that way. :o Hopefully, when the wiki is more active, we can see what people think of that.

If I'm not mistaken, the color for the Garrison, as well as the other two branches, is taken from the emblem on their backs. When you made your suggestion, I was actually thinking something along the lines of black or dark grey for all deceased characters. That way it would stand out in any of the sections. As for the Titans, all character pages should have navigation boxes on them. The color for the Titans navigation box is completely different from what's used on the characters page; mainly because they were made several years apart from each other. So if we used the color from their navigation box, it shouldn't be a problem visually. But I believe Manuel was thinking of making some changes to that page, so I haven't really done anything drastic to it. He is the better designer when it comes to making templates, so I was curious to see where he was going with it. EternalLocket (talk) 02:40, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

That's actually perfect, so we'll wait to hear Manuel's opinion. :)LukeAzzariti (talk) 02:45, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

Rearranging Characters

I've been thinking about this for a while, and wanted to see what anyone else who is listening thinks. To be clear, I am not suggesting anything major like moving characters to different sections of the page, I am suggesting we rearrange them in their sections. I was thinking we could try to organize the page a little more by rearranging characters in their sections with characters who are still alive listed first, characters with unknown statuses second, and deceased characters last.

So for example, the 104th Trainees would be arranged in this order: Eren, Mikasa, Armin, Bertolt, Reiner, Jean, Connie, Sasha, Historia, Daz, Ymir, Annie, Hannah, Samuel, Marco, Tom, Franz, Nac, Mylius, Mina, and Thomas

Anime-only characters will be listed last, regardless of status. What does everyone else think?--Neetaku (talk) 20:17, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think they should remain as they are, or ordered by popularity/rank. I think if this new organization is applied, we'll find popular characters placed below a bunch of minor characters just because they are dead. In that example that you put, Annie; one of the most popular characters of the series, is placed after the top 10 graduates and even after Daz. The same would happen for the old Squad Levi, Hannes, Kenny, Grisha, Carla, Farlan, Isabel and Flagon. So... I prefer the current organization or another based on popularity/rank.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 21:07, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to agree with keeping it the same. Otherwise, there's no point to color coding them if we're just going to arrange them by status. Which would likely be apart of the previous conversation up above. That being said, sections other than possibly the 104 and Survey Corps sections, the characters are likely not arranged based on any sort of official popularity. And unintentionally, especially in the case of the others and btf sections, are more closely arranged by when the page was added. If anything, some of the sections would probably need to be reorganized if we're going to try to go by some sort of popularity or ranking.

This is unrelated to the discussion, but I noticed it happens quite often after I post in a talk page. I indent my responses so they're easier to recognize. As such, ideally, I try to use the same indentation every time. Unless I feel it could be mistaken with someone else's message. EternalLocket (talk) 22:15, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I guess you're both right, there's not really a need to change them. There's just something visually appealing (to me, at least) to see all the different colors in section grouped together, rather than scattered about... Sections within sections, it's [insert obligatory Inception joke here].--Neetaku (talk) 03:54, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

If you look at my list of projects, I'm planning a revamping of the list of characters. There are several changes I want to do to that template and to the page itself; but one of them is to use the same colors seen in the {{Colorgroup}}; which are the ones already used by the Stats and Navboxes, and I don't remember if there are more templates using them. So each section would look more uniform and in line with the rest of the wiki (this is the only page that looks extraneous), and the deceased characters and characters with unknown statuses would be marked with icons of ^† and ^? like the navboxes already do. I don't know what do you think about this. Still, there are some other projects I wanted to finish before addressing this issue.

About the indentation, I always use an increasing indentation as the conversation progresses, so it's easier to follow the flow of messages.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 04:26, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

At a quick glance, I mistook Neetaku's message as mine mixed with his, and assumed that my message didn't save. I just had to slowly look at it closely. I intentionally don't do that sort of indentation because, at least with the preformatted talk pages, they don't seem to handle things that move out of the defined area very well.(i.e. Petra's talk page, I still can't arrange Jinx's images, despite laying hers in a similar to mine. :/)

After looking at the previous conversation, I remembered that I wanted to, at least, change the colors for Titans and deceased characters. But after looking at the template, I realized it would need more changing than what I could do at the moment, or probably at all. :p I would personally like to keep a visual color change for deceased and unknown characters, as I feel it's easier to comprehend at a quick glance; especially if the color guide is still at the top. Without it, it seems like to me they're just dumped in together with the other characters. Then there's some of the characters with quite long names, adding a symbol, with or without a space in between, might be pushing it in terms of keeping it all on the same line.

Just a suggestion, since you're eventually working on it. Automatic color for font based on status of character, if status color is still kept. From what I can see, the color only changes for deceased characters. So that's something that can be done on the template side, instead of being rewritten for each character. Also, should new images for characters be renamed to fit the (name) character image.png/jpg format? EternalLocket (talk) 21:37, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Hahahaha, I had forgotten the conversation on Petra's Talk Page, but yeah, the images caused a strange squashing of the page. o_O But it's solved now, I simply centered one image and put the other two in a gallery. xP

I think the trick with the indentation in Talk Pages is to simply use an indentation one colon (:) bigger than the previous user's.

About the list of characters, I'll make a prototype on a sandbox and show it to you once it's ready so we can make the necessary changes; for now I prefer to stay focused on my current projects and address them in order or I won't be able to finish anything. :P--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 13:55, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

 New Section

Zeke, Mr. Leonhart, and Marcel aren't really Wall civilians (Zeke and Marcel aren't civilians at all, really), so I was thinking that the Character list should have a new section for people who come from the Hometown (RBA can stay in the 104th section).--Neetaku (talk) 04:46, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I can get behind this, as long as a new color can be agreed upon. --GodKingReiss (talk) 05:46, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking about using the "other" color (the sort of orange one). I mean, it's not like we're using it, as far as I can tell.--Neetaku (talk) 05:57, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should make it an 'outside the wall' or 'other society' category (maybe pick a better name). We don't know a whole lot about the home town yet, but maybe when we do we could divide up the categories a bit more. Anyone from outside the walls should likely be listed as being from the general society existing out there; until we know more and can break that society down into categories.--JinxTheFunhouse (talk) 10:50, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

Since there are only three characters that don't fit in the other categories and the three of them are from the Hometown, why not making a "Hometown" category?--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 13:11, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I know Zeke is from outside the walls, but does he ever say he's from the home town? I could just be spacing out right now, but there's now a chance that Zeke could be from/living somewhere other than the home town (since there is more than just the home town outside the walls apparently).--JinxTheFunhouse (talk) 16:40, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's ever directly stated that Zeke is from the Hometown, but given his knowledge of Annie's training style, Reiner's referring to him as "our strongest warrior", an the fact that Bertolt and Reiner immediately recognized his Titan form in the Clash of the Titans arc, the implication seems to be that RBAM and Zeke are from the same town.--Neetaku (talk) 16:47, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

"Hometown" is avery ambiguous term, because we don't know what exactly it is. So far we are only using it to refer to "the place" where the warriors come from or the organization they serve, and it could be either a town, a city, a country or a continent, we don't know. What seems to be clear is that Zeke is from that same place, since in chapter 46 Ymir said "You two [Reiner and Bertolt] are trying to get to it [the Beast Titan]. Because if you do, you'll be able to go back to your home town, right?". Also, in ANSWERS Isayama refers to Zeke as "the existence who bundles all the Warriors together", "like a big brother to Reiner and the others" and "the man who stands at the top, putting plans into action with his abilities", so this would mean that he is in fact from the same place as the other warriors and the leader of them.

I should note that Zeke is currently listed among the inhabitants of the Hometown in the Hometown page, so if we will put into question his procedence, he should be removed from there as well. Although we should first clarify what is exactly what we're calling the "hometown".--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 17:29, September 11, 2016 (UTC)