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    • Really good chapter. Pretty much turned out as most expected it to.

      Kind of funny how Bertolt looking at the others as he's being eaten and begging for help pretty much mirrors him, Reiner, and Annie just standing by as they condemned Marco to death.

      How karmic.

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    • BERTOLT IS FINALLY DEAD! The Colossal Titan, the very first intelligent Titan we're introduced to, the most famous one, is on the cover of the first manga volume and both anime seasons' key visual, is gone! (Sorry Bertolt fans, I cannot help but appreciate this).

      Such a befitting end how he ended up dying in order to bring back the VERY soldier he thought he "put out of his misery". Just in his last moment of life, that he suddenly forgets he's a Warrior and cries out for his ex-comrades to save him when he fully intended on killing them all with his transformation blast earlier... just LMAO! Even some of his fans were disappointed because that's not how they thought he'd be in his last moment of life. His death scene with him crying out and the Levi Squad do nothing and watch as he's getting gobbled by a Titan is similar to Marco's and how the Titan Trio stood by and watched him get eaten (now I see why Isayama waited till chapter 77 to reveal how Marco died). Wish if it was Reiner, though I can't wait for his reaction once he finds out his childhood best friend has perished (it should push him over the edge lol). Humanity inside the Walls now finally has another Titan Shifter on its side beside Eren. Will Armin's Shifter form be as colossal as Bertolt's form was or average sized like Eren's? A lot of people seem to think it'll be like the Colossal Titan's size but it appears they've forgotten about Ymir's Titan form. I personally think it wouldn't be bigger than Eren's. I wanna see him Titanize soon enough to find out (preferably in a 8x chapter and not 9x, lol). The next chapter should finally be about going into the basement now that both holes are plugged and the serum has been successfully used to steal one of the enemy's Titan powers, there's nothing else left for them to do but checking that damn basement.

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    • It was amazing. It was sad to see Erwin go, and I liked how Levi, Hange, and Floch didn't cry about it.

      I also liked how Hange had her arms around Mikasa. It was so cute XD

      I felt kinda sad for Bertolt, though, he looked so terrified.

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    • The best part of this chapter was Bertolt finally dying. It was very relieving to see him pleading for help just like Marco, and pleading to those people he said that should just die no matter what, and being killed by the person he tried to kill so horrendously just some minutes before. At that moment I was like, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, sweet karma. :'-)

      The rest was very predictable. We all knew that there was no way that Armin wasn't getting the serum because plot armor (and he even recovered his coconut because YOLO), and the fact that Erwin was going to offer his life for him was even the winner option of the latest poll, so there weren't really many surprises. It was probably the most predictable chapter in the whole series. Even so, I liked the way it was exposed. It was very bittersweet and emotional. We all knew that that was going to happen too, but I still liked it.

      I honestly cannot fully like it because I cannot forgive Isayama for what he did in the previous chapter and the number of absurdities that led to these events, but well, it's either accept that or dropping the series (I actually know of some people that dropped it, some of them hardcore fans), so I'll have to live with that. It will be interesting to see what Armin will do with his Titan powers, and how he will react to the notion that Erwin and Bertolt died to save him.

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    • Should have been Reiner.

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    • Wonder how Armin's Titan will turn out

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      We all knew that there was no way that Armin wasn't getting the serum because plot armor (and he even recovered his coconut because YOLO), and the fact that Erwin was going to offer his life for him was even the winner option of the latest poll, so there weren't really many surprises. It was probably the most predictable chapter in the whole series.

      Yeah notice how like 80% of the chapter progressed into making us believe Erwin is the one who's getting injected... how fuitle lol. I also wasn't expecting his hair to be fully grown back like this, honestly thought Armin'd return bald (just like Reiner after his brain was blown off).

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    • Manuel, I agree with much of your assessment of 83, I hope the anime retcons some of the implausibilities of the past couple of chapters. Like, Armin being flung from like 80 meters up in the air and landing on his back on a roof and still having any life inside of him, like that's just too physically implausible. I mean, if the anime really goes this route I hope they at least have him land on a god damn hay bale or something, just anything to make it slightly feasible that he wouldn't be very dead when they find him.

      With that said, I think this is easily one of the best chapters in the entire series, at least in my opinion. I've reread this chapter maybe five or six times already and no other chapter has really done it for me like this one has.

      "It will be interesting to see what Armin will do with his Titan powers, and how he will react to the notion that Erwin and Bertolt died to save him."

      I kind of think a large part of this chapter was people hesitating about the enormous responsibilities that filling Erwin's shoes would entail. Hange is going to be the 14th commander of the Survey Corps and I don't think they feel quite ready for it and nobody wants to have to be the person who decides all of these horrible sacrifices, that was always Erwin's role. Now Armin is going to feel very heavy that he'll have to carry that responsibility.

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    • Tausendberg wrote:
      Should have been Reiner.

      The next time they face the Armored Titan, that's the end for him (hopefully). He'll meet up with his childhood friend soon enough, don't worry.

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote:
      Wonder how Armin's Titan will turn out

      Well, Armin's titan look pretty much like him especially the blond hair, but it is pretty malnourished.

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    • So, what do you guys think of Levi?

      To be honest, I was actually glad to see Mikasa jump him and put a knife to his neck. I think he's needed to be knocked down a few pegs for a while now. 

      I know it may sound funny but considering he ended up picking Armin anyway, I think he should apologize to Eren for that cheap sucker punch that he only got away with because he knew Eren wouldn't actually attack him. 

      And yeah, Levi did fuck up because of his single-minded desire to save Erwin no matter how unlikely that was, he basically allowed the Beast Titan to escape, like, that's on him, and I think part of this chapter was about him realizing how he too was devoted to a fault in keeping with the recurring theme in Attack On Titan of obsession as distraction from existential anxiety.

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote:
      Wonder how Armin's Titan will turn out

      Tune in chapter 95 lmao xD hopefully it's soon. People believe it'd be as big as the Colossal Titan just becuase Zeke once told Reiner "you'll have to give up that armor of yours to another Warrior".

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    • I was wondering is he become a new colossal titan or average titan-shifter(i mean without any additional powers like extra size or armoured skin) like Eren or Annie, but for this moment his titan for looks very casual. As Manuel said:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      It will be interesting to see what Armin will do with his Titan powers,


      Also: Is that possible, that Armin could gain Bertolt memories? or is that only Reiss family speciality?

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    • On a completely another note, Crunchyroll is kill. Not working for me. Lucky for me, I read the translated raws three days ago, so I'm good, even if I'd like to read the more official ones as well.

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    • OMG you guys, Ereri is canon. ERERI IS CANON! Levi assaults Eren

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    • Well Bertolt Hoover is dead I actually read the chapter a day early and it was hard not to talk about it. Levi sacrificed the guy who forced him to join the survey corps. I will say even though he was my favorite character Erwin Smith's death made me say "well I dont care" ( I literally did not care about his death). Also a suggestion when looking at the page Bertolt dies in listen to "The Awakening" from the Fullmental Alchemist Brotherhood soundtrack its a good death theme for Bertolt (its the song they played when Father was speaking to The Truth). Bertolt actually experianced a death that he forced onto so many other other people such as Eren's mom. Now he finds himself being eaten. How ironic for Bertolt. Bertolt's in hell now and dont worry Erwin will kep him company on the ride down.

      P.S I think this arc is over they are in my view going to the basement. Also You may remember a guy named S, that was me no point calling myself that any more but im back and it's good to see you again.

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    • Neetaku wrote: OMG you guys, Ereri is canon. ERERI IS CANON! Levi assaults Eren

      Forget that. Rivamika, my dream come true. (❤‿❤)

      Mikasa holds down Levi
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    • What are you guys talking about!!??

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    • Tausendberg wrote:
      What are you guys talking about!!??

      It's this new running gag on the site that hostile behavior between characters somehow correlates with romantic attraction, I think referring to how Levi brutally beating Eren in the courtroom was somehow fuel for the Ereri ship.

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    • GodKingReiss wrote:
      Tausendberg wrote:
      What are you guys talking about!!??
      It's this new running gag on the site that hostile behavior between characters somehow correlates with romantic attraction, I think referring to how Levi brutally beating Eren in the courtroom was somehow fuel for the Ereri ship.

      That's called Yandere

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    • Goddamnit, God fucking Damnit!!! I'm going to rattle Isayama and pop a gloc up his ass for this.

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    • An emotional chapter this was indeed. Armin given a second chance at life. R.I.P Erwin and Moblit and GG to Bert. Speaking of Moblit that guy had ONE job and he did that job justice saving Hange. A true hero!

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    • I was fully on Team Erwin, however I pretty much knew who was going to live between the two of them. I'm very interested to see what Armin can do as a shifter, though.

      Overall, this might be my favorite chapter in this arc, because it's the first time we see a solid victory for the SC (aside from Levi beating the shit out of Zeke a couple chapters ago). Poor Bertholt didn't seem to be blessed with the plot armor Reiner has, it would seem.

      Oh yeah, Mr. Redshirt got a name in this chapter, and we also got to see Moblit's last moments.

      Now, let's see what's inside that basement.

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    • I just feel sorry for Bertolt's character. All I see among the fandom is a cry of praise that he's dead. Kinda harshens the mood. The only Titan shifters who I believe deserve to die are Reiner and Zeke. Zeke for obvious reasons, but Reiner because he became past saving. Plus, I think he was ready to die when Hange started torturing him.

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    • Wow... and I thought the Socratic seminars in my English class last year were bad.

      I don't have a whole lot to say about this particular chapter, probably because I knew the entire thing would consist of fighting over the serum candidates before I even opened it up. For what it's worth, here are my feelings about it in a nutshell:

      1) I at least liked the commentary on Erwin being a monster,

      2) Bertoldt the coward got the death he deserved and receives none of my pity,

      3) I love you, Armin, but the fact that scientifically speaking you're not supposed to be alive right now is still bothering me, and

      4) Let's all hope his Titan form doesn't stay so scary-looking. And may God help us if it does. XP

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      Goddamnit, God fucking Damnit!!!

      I'm going to rattle Isayama and pop a gloc up his ass for this.

      When you said your other favorite character is Erwin earlier I was about to choke knowing he also dies.

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    • What I'm wondering is whether or not Armin will inherit Bertolt's Colossus Titan powers. I dunno when he'll transform next, but the next transformation will answer a lot of questions about how Titan shifting works.

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    • I'm mad about Erwin too. He was the man with the plan, but now there is no plan. Without his guidance, the wall goes back to the status quo.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      I'm mad about Erwin too. He was the man with the plan, but now there is no plan. Without his guidance, the wall goes back to the status quo.

      You sure about that? They got Hange?

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    • Well, let me kick this off by saying: HAJIME ISAYMA I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR FINALLY KILLING OFF AN ACTUAL CHARACTER (and not one of those cardboard cutouts in the background)... Although, I'm a bit puzzled as to why you decided to kill off your most well-developed, intriguing character first. RIP Erwin. Now, on to the nitty-gritty.

      I have to say, when I first read this chapter, it didn't me, and stood out as kind of a disappointment and one of the lower points in the series, but after re-reading it so that I could write the wiki's summary for it, I found that I appreciated it a lot more than before (possibly because I had had time to cool down after the first reading). I plan to hit all of the major points of the chapter that stood out as positives and negatives, so this could be a long one.

      So after the mediocre Falling Axe, we pick up right where we left off: in the middle of Isayama's own spin on Civil War (or BVS), which leads right into one of my knocks against this chapter:

      Negative: Eren's excuses reasons for saving Armin: while it's true that Eren's examples of Armin's strategic brilliance are valid, it doesn't erase the fact that Erwin's contributions to mankind far outweigh them. His Long-Distance Enemy Scouting Formation cut down Survey Corps deaths exponentially, he was able to catch the Female Titan twice with his strategies (and she stayed caught the second time), and the Military Police would still be hunting Eren down for Rod Reiss if Erwin hadn't orchestrated the Military's revolution. So the argument basically boils down to "genius boy with potential to be a great leader someday" against "genius man who is a battle-tested commander with countless wins under his belt already".

      Positive: Floch's speech about Erwin is gold. And I love how he stole Armin's "become monsters to fight monsters" line and upgraded it to "become demons to kill monsters" for maximum badassery". But all jokes aside, Floch is completely right. Erwin is the only human alive brutal enough to ensure the defeat of his enemies, and it is this brutality, coupled with his strategic mind, that makes him so much more valuable to the survival of mankind than anyone.

      NEGATIVE: I've been harping on this for a while, but... this chapter just makes it too easy; Hange's survival. THIS IS NOT HOW EXPLOSIONS WORK ISAYAMA!!!!!!

      Hange surviving Bertolt bomb

      Positive: The final sequence when Levi is deciding who to inject is great. I'm not sure why, but something about that entire sequence, with all of Levi's memories bombarding him, just really stood out to me. The art in that sequence also elevated everything to a visceral level. I don't think I have ever seen Levi emote so much in one chapter, and it's obvious Isayama went all out in that scene to make sure Levi's uncertainty was painted clearly on his face.

      Positive: Bertolt's death is actually really well done (surprisingly). I realize that I'm one of the few people on this wiki who doesn't outright hate him, so I probably didn't celebrate like everyone else did when reading this scene, but I honestly think that there isn't anyone who didn't feel even a little sorry for Bertolt when watching his death scene playing out. Or at least, there won't be when I point this out: from his first appearance in the series, Bertolt has been portrayed as an incredibly meek individual who is constantly hiding in the background behind Annie and Reiner. This fact was even elaborated on in that flashback of him with Reiner when they were getting ready for the Corps to arrive in Shiganshina; Reiner has always been watching out for Bertolt. In a sense, Reiner has been Bertolt's legal guardian throughout the series, and has always been the one Bertolt could count on for support when he was in trouble. But Reiner isn't here now. And watching Bertolt beg for his friend to come save him as he is dying is somewhat haunting. It's like watching a small child begging for his dad to come save him when he's in danger.
      PS: To anyone celebrating Bertl's demise, I would like to read to you an exert from his will:

      Quote1 I, Bertolt, of the House Hoover, hereby declare that should I perish in battle, all of my Plot Armor shall go to my good friend Reiner, of the House Braun. Quote2
      — Exert from the Will of Bertolt Hoover

      Neutral: Obviously I'm not a fan of Isayama's decision to kill Erwin, but Levi's explanation for not choosing him sort of made sense. Not as much sense as letting Armin die, but it still sort of made sense.

      Overall, I'd say this chapter was definitely an improvement over the previous one, but it still had some pretty blatant plot holes. But, I guess should expect as much at the moment, since Isayama seems to be going through a rough-patch with his overpowered plot armor, but hopefully this chapter is as sign that he's starting to get back on track.

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    • Hange might be smart, but I doubt she commands the same kind've political sway as Erwin did. He had almost everyone in his pocket: Historia, Dok, Zackley, anyone of great importance feared Erwin.

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    • OH MY GOD!!! SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T DESPISE BERTL! Break out the champagne! :D But that entire scene reeked of a child begging his father to save him. I even imagined a small child in my head while reading it, as he's about to be eaten by his worst nightmare. It's really chilling stuff.

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    • GodKingReiss wrote:
      What I'm wondering is whether or not Armin will inherit Bertolt's Colossus Titan powers. I dunno when he'll transform next, but the next transformation will answer a lot of questions about how Titan shifting works.

      I personally believe when he transforms for the first time his Titan form wouldn't be bigger than Eren's. Tune in next year to find out, lol.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      OH MY GOD!!! SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T DESPISE BERTL! Break out the champagne! :D

      Congratulations on your new friend, MasteroftheWastes.

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    • Would he inherit his powers? I don't think so.

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    • I mean, we can talk about karma but shit I'm not sadistic enough to think that anyone deserves to see themselves get crushed to death in a giant's teeth including people whose actions are linked to lots of people dying in that manner.

      It's kind of sadly ironic but basically this whole conversation that the Survey Corps Remnants had, it's because they spent so long talking about it that Bertolt actually had a chance to come to. I know it was way more dramatic from a narrative standpoint that Bertolt was conscious instead of unconscious when dumb dumb Armin ate him but shit, I just can't think that he or anyone deserved that.

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    • Armin's mindless Titan was horrifying... it looked like the freaking Grim Reaper lol let's hope his Shifter form is better looking.

      Armin's mindless Titan
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    • YES!!! ARMIN LIVES!!! This was a chapter that had to be unleashed!

      Bye-bye, Colossal Titan.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Armin's mindless Titan was horrifying... it looked like the freaking Grim Reaper lol let's hope his Shifter form is better looking.
      Armin's mindless Titan

      I wish it looked like the OVA titan

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    • Bertl didn't deserve getting crushed between Armin's teeth.

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    • Well, that was certainly one hell of a chapter; two main characters dead, and humanity has another Titan Shifter in their ranks. Now I can only hope that whatever is in the basement will clear up exactly why the Homelanders want everyone in the Walls dead and what the "Coordinate" power really is.

      And now, my predictions for the coming chapters;

      Reiner is almost certainly going to be out for blood to avange Bertolt. However, there is the issue of his split-personally that curiously hasn't made a reappearence since the "Clash of the Titans" arc. I thought for sure that this would be brought up again in this arc, but that ended up being wrong. I do think it will be brought up again at a critical moment later in the series because that is a major Chekhov's Gun that wasn't fired yet.

      While on the topic of Chekhov's Gun, there's another major one not many seem to talk about but definitely requires attention. The Chekhov's Gun in question, in this case, more like a Chekhov's WMD, is Eren's Dream at the beginning of the series!

      My reason for bringing this up at this point in time is due to one particular image that might have foreshadowed this very chapter. The anime version of Eren's dream had a very brief shot of a grinning, blond-haired Titan (no, it's not the Smiling Titan, I made sure of it) that looks as though it just finished eating someone. I am 90% sure that this is Titan Armin after eating Bertolt.


      Titan from Eren's Dream






      I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm just going crazy.

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote:
      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Armin's mindless Titan was horrifying... it looked like the freaking Grim Reaper lol let's hope his Shifter form is better looking.


      I wish it looked like the OVA titan

      I'm really glad it didn't.

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    • Sentinel00 wrote:
      Really good chapter. Pretty much turned out as most expected it to.

      Kind of funny how Bertolt looking at the others as he's being eaten and begging for help pretty much mirrors him, Reiner, and Annie just standing by as they condemned Marco to death.

      How karmic.

      I love Karma... 
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      Hmmm... This looks familiar..

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      HMMMM... I don't feel that bad for Bertl... Karma made it feel better..

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    • PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:
      Well, that was certainly one hell of a chapter; two main characters dead, and humanity has another Titan Shifter in their ranks. Now I can only hope that whatever is in the basement will clear up exactly why the Homelanders want everyone in the Walls dead and what the "Coordinate" power really is.

      And now, my predictions for the coming chapters;

      Reiner is almost certainly going to be out for blood to avange Bertolt. However, there is the issue of his split-personally that curiously hasn't made a reappearence since the "Clash of the Titans" arc. I thought for sure that this would be brought up again in this arc, but that ended up being wrong. I do think it will be brought up again at a critical moment later in the series because that is a major Chekhov's Gun that wasn't fired yet.

      While on the topic of Chekhov's Gun, there's another major one not many seem to talk about but definitely requires attention. The Chekhov's Gun in question, in this case, more like a Chekhov's WMD, is Eren's Dream at the beginning of the series!

      My reason for bringing this up at this point in time is due to one particular image that might have foreshadowed this very chapter. The anime version of Eren's dream had a very brief shot of a grinning, blond-haired Titan (no, it's not the Smiling Titan, I made sure of it) that looks as though it just finished eating someone. I am 90% sure that this is Titan Armin after eating Bertolt.


      Titan from Eren's Dream






      I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm just going crazy.

      actually, that is the smiling titan... Cool theory though

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      Eren's excuses reasons for saving Armin: while it's true that Eren's examples of Armin's strategic brilliance are valid, it doesn't erase the fact that Erwin's contributions to mankind far outweigh them.

      And it's here when Floch started the dick measuring contest Erwin vs Armin after Eren mentioned Armin's achievements lol. But it's true, they don't outweigh Erwin's. People are saying Erwin rejected the injection when in fact he was mumbling and hallucinated himself back as a child in his father's class and only yanked his arm away because of MC plot armor.

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    • PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:

      The anime version of Eren's dream had a very brief shot of a grinning, blond-haired Titan (no, it's not the Smiling Titan, I made sure of it) that looks as though it just finished eating someone. I am 90% sure that this is Titan Armin after eating Bertolt.

      Titan from Eren's Dream






      I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm just going crazy.

      Nope, the anime isn't cannon and this is a completely different Titan, the Mouth if far wider, the nose is defferent, and the cheeks are more saggy

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    • Now I do feel sort of bad for Bertl, because nobody deseves a brutal death.. I just felt less bad because of what they did to Marco. It is so chilling and horribly ironic how this happened.. I have a bunch of mixed feelings.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      Bertl didn't deserve getting crushed between Armin's teeth.
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      Who would've thought, he'd end up eaten by the guy who kept fucking with head about Annie getting tortured? XD
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    • Abbysfun wrote:
      Now I do feel sort of bad for Bertl, because nobody deseves a brutal death.. I just felt less bad because of what they did to Marco. It is so chilling and horribly ironic how this happened.. I have a bunch of mixed feelings.

      If you want blood, then cheer when Reiner dies. he's the one who had Annie kill Marco, and made her and Bertl watch as he got eaten. Bertl even cried a little as he got eaten, but not Reiner.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      Abbysfun wrote:
      Now I do feel sort of bad for Bertl, because nobody deseves a brutal death.. I just felt less bad because of what they did to Marco. It is so chilling and horribly ironic how this happened.. I have a bunch of mixed feelings.
      If you want blood, then cheer when Reiner dies. he's the one who had Annie kill Marco, and made her and Bertl watch as he got eaten. Bertl even cried a little as he got eaten, but not Reiner.

      Oh he'll perish as well alright. When Reiner comes back he'll be facing the Titan Shifter Duo Eren and Armin plus some Thunder Spears equipped soldiers and a couple Ackermans.

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    • I feel like Zeke should've saved Bertl. Reiner is kinda useless if you think about it. He's gotten his ass handed to him by Eren on several occassions, and has proven more of a liablity than an assest. Bertl's form is one of the biggest, his transformation can nuke an entire district, he can dispear at a moment's notice, and his steam is hot enough to melt flesh.

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    • I think Zeke doesn't want Eren to die... Zeke wouldn't be able to safely fetch Bertolt from Eren especially since Levi crashed the party shortly after Zeke and Eren meet for the first time.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      Oh he'll perish as well alright. When Reiner comes back he'll be facing the Titan Shifter Duo Eren and Armin plus some Thunder Spears equipped soldiers and a couple Ackermans.

      Reiner knows about the Thunder Spears now, Zeke will not longer underestimate Levi nor let himself be ambushed by him, and they surely know that Bertolt has fallen and his power has been passed down to someone. The Corps will have to devise something else because those two will take measures as well.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:

      If you want blood, then cheer when Reiner dies. 

      If you'll look at my comments back in December, I cheered quite loudly!

      THEN HIS FUCKING HEAD GREW BACK!

      Which, on that note, let's just be clear right now that as it appears... So far, still, the only confirmed way to kill a shifter is for it to be eaten by a dumb dumb.

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    • i'm pretty sure if you were to grind them up into a paste, then they'd get killed.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      Oh he'll perish as well alright. When Reiner comes back he'll be facing the Titan Shifter Duo Eren and Armin plus some Thunder Spears equipped soldiers and a couple Ackermans.

      Reiner knows about the Thunder Spears now, Zeke will not longer underestimate Levi nor let himself be ambushed by him, and they surely know that Bertolt has fallen and his power has been passed down to someone. The Corps will have to devise something else because those two will take measures as well.


      Didn't chapter 82 make a big deal about them being out of Thunder Spears? That's why Isayama had to magic Hange back to life so she could save them with hers.

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    • I think so

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    • So Erwin and Bertolt are finally dead. I'm amazed that they actually went through with it, especially with Bertolt. I was half expecting another curveball to be thrown where he'd somehow escape yet again.

      Now what of the other members? And most importantly, I recall there being two syringes or vials in Kenny Ackerman's case. So there was no way of splitting the serum between Erwin and Armin? Someone please clarify.

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      Didn't chapter 82 make a big deal about them being out of Thunder Spears? That's why Isayama had to magic Hange back to life so she could save them with hers.

      They still can produce more. Zeke and Reiner will not return until the next arc; at least that was what Zeke seemed to suggest when he said he would come for Eren "another day".

      Fire Eater wrote:

      So there was no way of splitting the serum between Erwin and Armin? Someone please clarify.

      There are several theories about this, but Isayama avoided the issue by letting Zeke and Reiner escape, so even if the serum could be split, the Corps still could only save one person because they had only one Shifter in the menu.

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    • CeruleanNightHawk wrote:

      4) Let's all hope his Titan form doesn't stay so scary-looking. And may God help us if it does. XP

      Al titan shifters look nightmarish until they eat another titan shifter.

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    • Ymir's still looks like a goblin.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Neetaku wrote:

      Didn't chapter 82 make a big deal about them being out of Thunder Spears? That's why Isayama had to magic Hange back to life so she could save them with hers.

      They still can produce more. Zeke and Reiner will not return until the next arc; at least that was what Zeke seemed to suggest when he said he would come for Eren "another day".


      Ah, so you're assuming the Corps will have a chance to return to Wall Rose and resupply? I guess that makes sense. For some reason I just pictured them immediately taking off after Zeke and Reiner to towards the Hometown.

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      Ah, so you're assuming the Corps will have a chance to return to Wall Rose and resupply? I guess that makes sense. For some reason I just pictured them immediately taking off after Zeke and Reiner to towards the Hometown.

      Zeke and Reiner are probably long gone by now, and the Survey Corps have no way of locating the Hometown on their own. One possibility I can think of is they enlist Annie's help to get them there. Yes, I think that Annie will change sides if it means going home and seeing her father again.

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    • How? Last I checked, Annie is in a position to do nothing.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      How? Last I checked, Annie is in a position to do nothing.

      Annie will have to wake up at some point, right? They are not going to finish the manga with her still in that crystal, without completing her story. And we are already near the end so...it's about time

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    • Venturing beyond Wall Maria in their condition is suicide. Hange is now presumably going to be the new leader of the Survey Corps and hopefully intends to rebuild it from the bottom up. The Survey Corps brought up by Erwin is for all intents and purposes annihilated. Now the torch goes to Hange and Levi as to how the Corps are to be preserved and restored. No way are the few left about to commit to a journey beyond the Walls, which is already surefire suicide without the Shifters leading the charge. And they're not about to commit to that with their friends in such a broken state, some lucky to still be breathing. If there's a way to venture into the world beyond the Walls without being wiped out on the spot, then it's not yet known how.

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      Ah, so you're assuming the Corps will have a chance to return to Wall Rose and resupply? I guess that makes sense. For some reason I just pictured them immediately taking off after Zeke and Reiner to towards the Hometown.

      I think they're gonna go back to Wall Rose (most likely riding Eren, which is probably the safest way to travel through titan country). 

      First, there is the issue of Ymir's letter to Historia. I doubt Historia is gonna come out to Shiganshina to them, so most likely they're going back to civilization if for nothing else than to act on that plotline.

      Second, I don't think there's any reason they wouldn't. The Survey Corps had a terrible day (friendly reminder, the last year's worth of chapters covers the events from that morning in Shiganshina to whatever time in the day it is now, couldn't have been more than six hours, probably much less) but so have the Homelanders. Depending on how you count it, both sides have more than 90% casualties. 

      Furthermore, it's kind of like a pawn in Chess, the Homeland lost a titan shifter and the Survey Corps GAINED a titan shifter which considering the apparent very small population of titan shifters in the world, probably represents a substantial strategic setback for the Homeland.

      Where I'm going with this is that Zeke and Reiner are terribly injured and I doubt the Quad is any real use in a straight fight. Zeke basically just lost his army... In other words, there's absolutely nothing to stop the Survey Corps remnants from visiting the basement and then bee-lining back to civilization, as we saw from the Clash of the Titans arc, it will take just too long for Zeke and Reiner to be fighting fit again.

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      • ._____. my eyes just poped out
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    • So Levi ended up choosing Armin, huh. If you think about it, it makes the most sense. Armin is a brilliant strategist and intellectual, and has saved his comrades many times. And being young, he's barely begun to live his life.

      Erwin on the otherhand, while a great strategist, sacrificed a great number of soldiers in order to advance; plus he was content with dying alongside them this time to atone for what he did. Reviving him would've diminished that valour; he lived full life with no regrets.

      As for Bertolt: Screw him. He got what was coming to him.

      (Also, is it just me or was this chapter a lot shorter than usual?)

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    • I think an important detail to note about this chapter...

      With Bertolt's death and Zeke, Reiner, and the Quad fleeing the field at the end of Chapter 83, The homelanders inside Wall Maria and Shiganshina have been completely defeated.

      With that victory condition met I think we can make if official...

      THE SURVEY CORPS IS VICTORIOUS IN THE SECOND BATTLE OF SHIGANSHINA!

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    • Fire Eater wrote:
      So Erwin and Bertolt are finally dead. I'm amazed that they actually went through with it, especially with Bertolt. I was half expecting another curveball to be thrown where he'd somehow escape yet again.

      Now what of the other members? And most importantly, I recall there being two syringes or vials in Kenny Ackerman's case. So there was no way of splitting the serum between Erwin and Armin? Someone please clarify.

      There was one syringe, one vial, and two needles in the case. Are you referring to the two needles?

      If so, that is rather common in medical practice. Generally, one needle is used to extract the substance and another needle to inject. In this case, one of those needles would be used to extract the serum from the bottle, and then the other is used to inject it into the host.

      This is generally done to prevent potential outside contamination.

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    • Kowys wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:

      Ah, so you're assuming the Corps will have a chance to return to Wall Rose and resupply? I guess that makes sense. For some reason I just pictured them immediately taking off after Zeke and Reiner to towards the Hometown.

      Zeke and Reiner are probably long gone by now, and the Survey Corps have no way of locating the Hometown on their own. One possibility I can think of is they enlist Annie's help to get them there. Yes, I think that Annie will change sides if it means going home and seeing her father again.


      I don't see how they'd get Annie to cooperate. If she is awoken, she'll wake to find that one of her two comrades is dead which may only harden her determination to finish her mission should she break free again. And she's already murdered dozens of Survey Corps members, she's lucky Eren didn't quite finish killing her. Her being persuaded to abandon her former mission or being held hostage to it is a huge stretch.

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    • Kman111 wrote:
      So Levi ended up choosing Armin, huh. If you think about it, it makes the most sense. Armin is a brilliant strategist and intellectual, and has saved his comrades many times. And being young, he's barely begun to live his life.

      Erwin on the otherhand, while a great strategist, sacrificed a great number of soldiers in order to advance; plus he was content with dying alongside them this time to atone for what he did. Reviving him would've diminished that valour; he lived full life with no regrets.

      As for Bertolt: Screw him. He got what was coming to him.

      (Also, is it just me or was this chapter a lot shorter than usual?)

      Now I'm genuinely wondering if Hange could somehow be the one to ensure that more of the new Survey Corps, if she rebuilt it could do what Erwin didn't and make it a force that can see its mission through without senseless sacrifices. Hange's always seemed to have better means of combating the Titans without recklessly risking soldiers than Erwin did.

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    • Finally.....

      So there's only nine people confirmed to still be alive from the expedition? With absolutely no possibilities left open for other survivors or stragglers scattered across the battlefield? Damn it. If that's really the case then Bertolt got everything he had coming to him, as he's responsible for about half the death toll, of those inside the city. 

      It sucks to see how much the Corps has been diminished between the Female Titan arc and Shiganshina.

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    • He really didn't deserve to die the way he did. No one deserves to die like that. Crying out to the best friends as your head gets crushed like a gusher. No one in the series deserves that kind've death. Not Reiner, not Zeke, not Rod Reiss, no one deserves to die like that.

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    • It sucks but keep in mind that the Survey Corps' losses exist in the context of a Homelander incursion that was intended to eventually exterminate all of the Wall People. So, it's bad, mistakes were definitely made (most casualties related to Annie revolved around them trying to capture her instead of killing her, they should have realized Reiner wasn't dead when his titan form wasn't dissolving when they blew his head off, consequently they would have been able to scatter when Bertolt nuked Shiganshina, also, Erwin should have nolticed that the Quad was putting together a pile of boulders for Zeke), but it could have been a lot worse...

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    • Not much man. Nine people. Some badly wounded at that. They'll be able to get back home with Armin and Eren carrying them (Hopefully), but the Corps are essentially gone. Always in the series when the humans lose, losses seem to be near-total. I know in a situation like this such losses would be heavy but it frustrates me how everyone in the redshirt armies are all true redshirts.

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    • "Not much man. Nine people."

      Quite a bit much I think. Imagine Erwin's Survey Corps hadn't existed. If Erwin didn't assemble the people he did and guided them into such a competent fighting force relative to the limited capabilities that they had (the interior corps was even suppressing technological development) then I think it would have been much worse.

      Basically, Zeke and the homelanders would have run circles around the military of the Wall People and eventually do whatever the hell he wanted to.

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    • What a chapter. Armin lives and is now ready to fight alongside Eren as badass Titan Shifters (Mikasa is most likely next so all three can duke it out in the climax), Erwin dies like he wanted to in service of humanity, and the Colossal Titan will never again breach a wall.

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    • I think you may have missed my point here. Now you're talking about the Corps' very existence, which is not what I'm talking about.

      I'm clinging onto the hope that some Corps members are still inside Wall Rose. Deploying the entire Corps on any single endeavor considering what they face wouldn't be a wise strategy in most contexts. And I would hope that attempts to recruit were made after the action in Stohess.

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    • One thing that's important to keep in mind when looking at the Wall People's army as Redshirts...

      The military of the world within the walls was never meant to be really be an effective fighting force. The whole premise of the civilization is a giant farce cooked up by King Reiss and his titan shifter descendants. Technological development is deliberately hindered (who knows how long the Interior had Thunder Spears). The Survey Corps for most of its history is an intendedly quixotic organization that serves to kill off the most curious and willful of the population while keeping people afraid of the outside world. The training doesn't prepare the soldiers for really fighting Titans (it is military malpractice that soldiers are sent to fight titans without ever seeing them beforehand, causing many of them to panic) as demonstrated by the enormous skill discrepancy between the Survey Corps and the Garrison and Military Police (Survey Corps Officers, not even superhumans like Mikasa or Levi, are able to kill multiple titans in a single engagement while Garrison and MP soldiers seem to die by the dozens). 

      And Erwin's clarity of purpose and the Survey Corps are able to shake up all of these dynamics but they're still like Redshirts but just keep in mind where they were coming from.

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    • BNSF1995 wrote:
      What a chapter. Armin lives and is now ready to fight alongside Eren as badass Titan Shifters (Mikasa is most likely next so all three can duke it out in the climax), Erwin dies like he wanted to in service of humanity, and the Colossal Titan will never again breach a wall.

      That would be awesome if Mikasa were the next to become a Titan (Not that she needs it yet, lol).

      Given what the Homeland has pulled, odds are they aren't out of tricks to pull against the people within the Walls. However, the most powerful of their Shifters is now definitely dead which may at least buy the people some time to mount a truly effective offensive against the Homeland once they figure out what its nature is. If nothing else, it buys them some precious time to find out who the real enemy behind this Titan nightmare is.

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    • "I'm clinging onto the hope that some Corps members are still inside Wall Rose."

      Well, the rest of the military is still back in civilization but for a mission of this importance I think the SC deployed nearly all of its reserves.

      The only exception I can think of is that there might be a couple of soldiers who were standing watch over wherever Annie is buried because guarding Annie was the responsibility of the SC, unless she wakes up or something, whoever is guarding her are incredibly lucky relative to their comrades.

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    • Tausendberg wrote:
      One thing that's important to keep in mind when looking at the Wall People's army as Redshirts...

      The military of the world within the walls was never meant to be really be an effective fighting force. The whole premise of the civilization is a giant farce cooked up by King Reiss and his titan shifter descendants. Technological development is deliberately hindered (who knows how long the Interior had Thunder Spears). The Survey Corps for most of its history is an intendedly quixotic organization that serves to kill off the most curious and willful of the population while keeping people afraid of the outside world. The training doesn't prepare the soldiers for really fighting Titans (it is military malpractice that soldiers are sent to fight titans without ever seeing them beforehand, causing many of them to panic) as demonstrated by the enormous skill discrepancy between the Survey Corps and the Garrison and Military Police (Survey Corps Officers, not even superhumans like Mikasa or Levi, are able to kill multiple titans in a single engagement while Garrison and MP soldiers seem to die by the dozens). 

      And Erwin's clarity of purpose and the Survey Corps are able to shake up all of these dynamics but they're still like Redshirts but just keep in mind where they were coming from.

      That's quite the conspiracy. Does Historia's ascension promise some chance of breaking this shadow grip the Reiss family has imposed on whatever's left of humanity?

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    • Hmmm, important question...

      Do the homelanders know that Bertolt's power has been stolen?

      Zeke concluded that Bertolt was a write off but does he know that the SC had serum handy?

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    • Historia basically has allowed the military to essentially run the government and with the Survey Corps now being at the top of the pecking order and being granted every resource they wanted, yes, I think the future is looking very different than it did under Reiss hegemony. 

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    • Good question. Does he?

      If Armin has now acquired the Colossal Titan's abilities, that could dramatically tip the scales in this war to stop the Titans. But knowing Isayama, there is NO way it will be that simple. These people unleashed this trio of monsters upon the Wall dwellers, who knows what else they may possess.

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    • Tausendberg wrote:
      Historia basically has allowed the military to essentially run the government and with the Survey Corps now being at the top of the pecking order and being granted every resource they wanted, yes, I think the future is looking very different than it did under Reiss hegemony. 

      Better start beefing up the training in the Garrison and the Military Police then. I think a draft is in order to replenish the destroyed Survey Corps if no members were in the walls when Zeke attacked Shiganshina. The new tech and resources are going to be needed if anyone's to last a single day outside Wall Maria.

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    • " who knows what else they may possess."

      Call me optimistic but I actually think the situation for the Homelanders is very bad right now, strategically and they probably don't have anything else in reserve.

      Between Bertolt, Reiner, Zeke, the Quad, and the multiple dozens of dumb dumbs (seemed like at least 50 total), I think that constituted Zeke throwing nearly everything he had into this battle.

      Why do I think that? I determine that based off Zeke's conversation with Reiner and Bertolt, it had an air of profound desire for finality about it. This battle wasn't just some flight of fancy for Zeke and the homelanders, it was supposed to be the moment in which they finally grab the coordinate holder, their apparent absolute main objective, and exterminate the best soldiers that the wall people have.

      To put it another way, they were trying to grab the coordinate, this apparent key to the whole damn world, this magical ability to control mindless titans, and so I think Zeke was going to throw everything he had at the Survey Corps and Eren. It's like, if Zeke has like ten more colossal titans and beast titan shifters in reserve then he would have committed them to this battle but he didn't have those assets so he couldn't deploy them and this battle was so important for Zeke that I believe it proves what they had.

      And in essence, with Annie neutralized, Bertolt dead (and even worse for the Homelanders, his power is stolen), 100% casualties among the warriors who turned into mindless titans at Zeke's command, I think things are looking pretty bad for the Homeland right now and I would hate to be Zeke having to explain himself to whoever it is he has to answer to now. 

      Potentially even worse for the Homeland, while they've been decimated, Eren is going to only become stronger both as a user of the coordinate and hardening abilities, the Survey Corps are going to get whatever is in Grisha's basement, and if the homelanders left anything of value in whatever base the Quad refers to inside of Wall Maria the Survey Corps will get that too. It will also take time but Armin will eventually learn to use his abilities as the new Colossal Titan.

      To put it another way, especially if Eren gains the ability to command titans at will, yeah the Survey Corps lost a lot of soldiers but it might not need as many soldiers going forward (especially depending on what is in the basement).

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    • I'm still waiting for Eren to use the TItans to unleash absolute hell on the enemy, or on each other. Yes, the Coordinate is the big game changer supposedly, and it would probably be humanity's best shot at finally facing these Titans in an even fight with a good chance of winning. But of course, in Isayama's world, the heroes can never have a speck of hope without a horrific cost to follow. But it would be refreshing if finally, humanity wasn't losing its numbers in droves just to kill a few Titans.

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    • "Yes, the Coordinate is the big game changer supposedly,"

      I mean, I wish Eren hadn't made his silly statement that he or Erwin couldn't save humanity but Armin could. I mean, if Eren could really "hack" all of the titans in existence and just have them kill each other, he definitely could single-handedly save the wall people. Like, it wouldn't be a battle, it would just be a console command, a cheat code, a thumb of god. From what I can tell, he basically has the ability to end the main premise of this story as soon as he unlocks.

      Not only that but Rod's commentary that "Frieda's titan could stand above all other titans" but she merely didn't have enough experience with it, leads me to believe that not only can Eren one day single-handedly extinguish every dumb dumb in the world but he might have in himself some kind of ability or abilities that would make him unbeatable by any other shifter.

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    • I don't know if it's only me but I'm confused alot when I read this chapter.Bert's death gave me mixed feelings since Bert looks totally innocent in his human form,he looks like just a bullied badass child unlike the other villains not just in SnK but also in every other story.I had the same feeling with Marco's death scene(maybe that just because of the scene was quite same)I honestly never hated him but I can't change the fact that he's the worst character in the entire series.he unleashed hell to the walls folks and resulted in many tragedy,his end should be worse.

      And yes,first time I saw the dumb dumb I thought that was completely different Titan and not Armin's or Erwin's .I completely shocked and fucked up to think that no one survived when that dumb dumb ate Bert. It took me forever to recognize that Titan was Armin's until I read the rest of the pages.(I even  thought that dumb dumb was Ymir's shifting form)

      Other than that,Levi's face looks longer just like a horse (Jean) and it is kind of funny when Erwin raised his arm and asked a question just like he was a kid.

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    • Between the fall damage and the burn, I think Armin was brain dead and breathing by reflex so when he wakes up he might not be Armin anymore or worse we get a Berthold into Armin's body

      I doubt he would get the colossal titan power, remember the labels? the serum Armin got was labeled "normal titan" so he wouldn't get the colossal power.

      uggghh is it just me or the drawings looked atrocious this chapter?

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    • CommonSwift wrote:
      Between the fall damage and the burn, I think Armin was brain dead and breathing by reflex so when he wakes up he might not be Armin anymore or worse we get a Berthold into Armin's body

      A possessed Armin, I like the idea but I doubt Isayama is that inept. But I do strong feel like Armin's going to delve into Bertl's memories in the chapters to come. Maybe we learn why the titan trio came to the Walls to begin with, or maybe see a young Bertl interact with the rest of the Hoover family, or see Bertl finally gain the powers of the Colossal Titan himself. There's so much we could do with this. People tend to forget the humanity and tend to look at the monster.

      But on a side note, am I the only one pissed that Erwin's dead? And he died under the most stupid of reason. Eren's entire point for sacrificing Erwin is that Armin did more for the battle.... Really? That's your masterful reasoning for why Erwin had to die. Armin helped with a battle and suddenly he's the greatest officer in the corp?

      I like Armin, but I feel like this new wind kinda cheapens his death. In his final moments we saw him opine on the ocean, and how Eren will see it for him. In my mind, Armin was ready and willing to die.

      Erwin on the other hand still had an entire species to lead to greatest, everyone back home practically looked to Erwin for guidance. Armin's a good guy and all, but Erwin commanded the fear of all.

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    • Tausendberg wrote:

      Do the homelanders know that Bertolt's power has been stolen?

      Zeke concluded that Bertolt was a write off but does he know that the SC had serum handy?

      Reiner heard Jean and Hanji talking about the Titan serum which he in turn would of course tell Zeke later and from the condition Zeke saw Bertolt in, (limbless) they can indeed assume Bertolt's been eaten by one of "this evil race" after getting injected with the serum in question.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:

      But on a side note, am I the only one pissed that Erwin's dead? And he died under the most stupid of reason. Eren's entire point for sacrificing Erwin is that Armin did more for the battle.... Really? That's your masterful reasoning for why Erwin had to die. Armin helped with a battle and suddenly he's the greatest officer in the corp?

      MC plot armor! The Shiganshina Trio will never die because they're the main characters (guess I should be relieved that Mikasa is my favorite character lol). But I read people speculating about how they could've split the serum and just restrain Erwin's mindless Titan (The SC is depleted they ain't got nothing to restrain a Titan with at this moment) and just go back and blast Annie off her crystal with Thunder Spears and feed her to Erwin's mindless Titan lol.

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    • I feel like if they were to split the serum, it would result in an abomination like Rod Reiss.

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    • Y'all gotta see Jean's expression here xD... he's like "Really n***a?" I know it's a natural reaction for him to say this but I still can't believe he actually thought they'd help, lol.

      Bertolt crying for help
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    • This scene actually made me cry. One last final desperate plea from people he genuinely did think of as friends, only to have his life ended.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      This scene actually made me cry. One last final desperate plea from people he genuinely did think of as friends, only to have his life ended.
      That was in the Clash of the Titan arc but in this arc, he changed and just wanted to blow them all to smithereens with his transformation blast. Those are the people who he geniunely thought of as friends? Read what he said back then lol and he cried out to be saved by those same people.
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    • Be honest, do really believe that's genuine? Reiner and Zeke forged him into a monster, made him believe killing was the only way to survive. Because they aren't around anymore, the real Bertl was able to shine through and beg for help.

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    • Suppose he wasn't eaten... and they tried to get info out of him, I don't think he would spill the beans either and would remain silent until he can muster an ounce of engery to do a mini nuke blast again lmao.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      I like Armin, but I feel like this new wind kinda cheapens his death. In his final moments we saw him opine on the ocean, and how Eren will see it for him. In my mind, Armin was ready and willing to die.

      SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

      See, Armin is one of my favorite characters in this entire series--intelligent, courageous, selfless, and so humble he doesn't even realize his own potential--which is why Isayama's ridiculous handling of him over these last handful of chapters has driven me up the goddamn wall. Geez...

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    • Here's how I view Bertl. I now there are multiple ways of interrupting this character, but here's my way of viewing him. The meek shy Bertl we see is the real, genuine Bertl. This "i'm going to kill everyone and anything and I don't give a damn" is just a facade he uses to cope with his surroundings. When everyone except your best friend, your crush, and your boss thinks you're an absolute monster, how can you not start to believe that's what you are?

      It's kinda like Reiner with his split personality. you have the soldier, and then the warrior.

      With Bertl, I believe he developed his split identity during the Clash of the Titans, where he seemed to be unsympathetic to Eren and comapny. But this facade hadn't fully developed yet, as evidenced by his breakdown to connie.

      During the time skip between the Clash of the Titans and Return to Shiganshina arc is where he began to embrace the facade of the monster. I have no proof, but I believe Zeke did terrible things to both him and Reiner to get them to embrace their inner demons.

      And when all is said an done, and when Reiner and Zeke aren't there to enforce this identity, the real Bertl breaks out and pleads for his comrades to save him.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote: Suppose he wasn't eaten... and they tried to get info out of him, I don't think he would spill the beans either and would remain silent until he can muster an ounce of engery to do a mini nuke blast again lmao.

      He probably wouldn't have told them anything, no matter what they tried. But if Armin now possesses his power, he may be able to access his memories, too, discovering information that could prove beneficial to the cause the Survey Corps have.

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    • Abbysfun wrote:
      PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:
      Well, that was certainly one hell of a chapter; two main characters dead, and humanity has another Titan Shifter in their ranks. Now I can only hope that whatever is in the basement will clear up exactly why the Homelanders want everyone in the Walls dead and what the "Coordinate" power really is.

      And now, my predictions for the coming chapters;

      Reiner is almost certainly going to be out for blood to avange Bertolt. However, there is the issue of his split-personally that curiously hasn't made a reappearence since the "Clash of the Titans" arc. I thought for sure that this would be brought up again in this arc, but that ended up being wrong. I do think it will be brought up again at a critical moment later in the series because that is a major Chekhov's Gun that wasn't fired yet.

      While on the topic of Chekhov's Gun, there's another major one not many seem to talk about but definitely requires attention. The Chekhov's Gun in question, in this case, more like a Chekhov's WMD, is Eren's Dream at the beginning of the series!

      My reason for bringing this up at this point in time is due to one particular image that might have foreshadowed this very chapter. The anime version of Eren's dream had a very brief shot of a grinning, blond-haired Titan (no, it's not the Smiling Titan, I made sure of it) that looks as though it just finished eating someone. I am 90% sure that this is Titan Armin after eating Bertolt.


      Titan from Eren's Dream






      I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm just going crazy.

      actually, that is the smiling titan... Cool theory though

      No, it's not. The Smiling Titan, as in the one that ate Carla and Hannes, had far more teeth that were noticably straighter, skinnier, and less jagged than the Titan from Eren's dream. Compare the two yourself.

      Smiling Titan Close up

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    • To PlasmaCutterPHD and company: Except there's been no indication that any Titan Shifter (or anyone else, for that matter) can see into the future. Also, the two Titan mouths are beyond frightening (all those incisors for ripping through meat, 😱🤕).

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote:
      PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:
      The anime version of Eren's dream had a very brief shot of a grinning, blond-haired Titan (no, it's not the Smiling Titan, I made sure of it) that looks as though it just finished eating someone. I am 90% sure that this is Titan Armin after eating Bertolt.
      Titan from Eren's Dream






      I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm just going crazy.

      Nope, the anime isn't cannon and this is a completely different Titan, the Mouth if far wider, the nose is defferent, and the cheeks are more saggy

      Well, Isayama did work closely with the team that produced the anime. It is really so far-fetched to think that he had them put in various clues to certain revelations for the manga? My original point at the end of the day is that Eren's dream is a critical component of the underlying nature for the whole series, applying to both the manga and the anime. There will be a shocking truth surrounding it, that much I know for certain, but it seems like one of those "second-to-last chapter" type of reveals. We'll have to wait and see. Until then, we can only put on our tin foil caps and speculate...

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    • I don't think Eren's dream in the anime holds as much significance now as it did when the series premiered. I don't have an exact quote, but I recall Isayama saying that the huge popularity of the anime's first season influenced him to make some changes on how he plans to ultimately end his story. Titan Armin might not have been an idea Isayama was considering back when the anime was being produced.

      But in any case, that's indisputably the Smiling Titan we see in his dream. Same nose, same cheek lines, nearly identical teeth (some design aspects are given more detail than others depending on the shot), and Armin's Titan had a completely different mouth that more resembled Armin's mouth after his lips were burnt off.

      Smiling Titan Close up
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    • RIP Bertolt and Erwin well there goes my 2 of my favourite characters now all left is Reiner. Anyway Bertolts death is his own doing. His hesitation to kill and to check on Reiner caused his own death. Also i feel this chapter focused too much on who would get the serum. PS Armin should be dead got steamed and fell 60 meters if that doesnt kill you  you pretty much are immortal.  

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    • PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:

      No, it's not. The Smiling Titan, as in the one that ate Carla and Hannes, had far more teeth that were noticably straighter, skinnier, and less jagged than the Titan from Eren's dream. Compare the two yourself.

      That's obviously the Smiling Titan. The only differences between the two pictures are the number of teeth, but he's just being depicted inconsistently. It doesn't have those many teeth in the manga.

      Also, Armin's Titan is quite different, it has a smaller mouth with even less teeth, barely any cheeks and lacks a nose and skin in several parts of his face. And mindless Titans always have the same expression and Armin is not smiling.

      Armin mindless Titan
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    • so how are we going to call Armin's titan?

      The Thin titan? The Famine Titan? The I-need-a-dentist Titan? The Death titan? The Skull Titan?

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    • CommonSwift wrote: so how are we going to call Armin's titan?

      The Thin titan? The Famine Titan? The I-need-a-dentist Titan? The Death titan? The Skull Titan?

      The Phoenix Titan. You know, like the phoenix which arises from the ashes thanks to the miraculous power of the plot armor.

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    • All right, I'm going to make one last argument and then I'll drop the subject entirely and never bring it up again. I didn't expect what I said to cause such a stir, and that's the last thing I wanted to do. Watch the first opening of the anime closely, about 15 seconds or so before it ends onwards. For a split second, it shows the shot of the Smiling Titan we all know and fear,  immediately followed by a shot of the Titan from Eren's dream. Why would the animators do this if it's the same Titan in both shots?

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    • Finally I get to comment this chapter as well

      This chapter was quite an emotional one in my opinion. Especially the moment when Armin came back to life. The same feeling as when Eren emerged from his titan for the first time.

      Everyone here is guessing if Armin will obtain the size or strength of the Colossal titan. For me it ssems more interesting - if he could obtain Bertholds memories. Because this would change their strategy or the way they look at the world right now. We would get info about the Homeland, probably. And well, why not? after all, Eren is not from Reiss family and still was seing flashback of both his father's and Frieda's memories.

      The chapter was quite predictable, however it was still interesting to read. The battle for serum was indeed, but not like what everyone expected. Levi was on the ground in no time. Humanity's strongest soldier was loosing to a 15 y.o. girl. Mikasa's comment was indeed a surprise. Why do you guys think Levi lacked strength? because he was exhausted?

      What else. Maybe I am overrating Isayama, but I really liked how he played with Flocke. Fandom got it that the only meaning of Flocke's survival was to bring Erwin. And here Flocke (Isayama) is telling it himself. Like if, Isayama was aware he is predictable and was not even hiding it.

      Erwin's death. I was expecting his death to be something significant or emotional. but no, he just.. died. and nobody actually cared. somehow it's strange. I felt relieved for some reson. Whay puzzles me more is Levi's reaction, or to be more precise, lack of any reaction. I mean, he was so devoted to Erwin, and when he died he looked like "Ok, that happens.." I liked his speach about his death, but now I really don't get their relationship. But somehow, I feel like Levi will be the next to leave.

      Berthold's death. I am not like the majority here, I wasn't celebrating his death. I felt neither pity, nor anger. More like "So, this is it?" I still believe Wariors have some reason why they have been doing all these horrible things. This is what I really liked about AoT, that there are no good or bad characters. it's not black and white. Just like Armin once said to Annie about being a good persona and a bad person, remember? :)

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      CommonSwift wrote: so how are we going to call Armin's titan?

      The Thin titan? The Famine Titan? The I-need-a-dentist Titan? The Death titan? The Skull Titan?

      The Phoenix Titan. You know, like the phoenix which arises from the ashes thanks to the miraculous power of the plot armor.


      LOL, that name actually reminds me of the Attack on Titan: Junior High manga. When Eren's classmates are being introduced, the narrator describes each in one word (ex: "Idiot" for Connie, "Contented" for Franz and Hannah), and Marco's was "Phoenix". At this point, I'd actually prefer Titan Shifter Marco to Armin, since Marco's revival would at least come as a surprise.

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    • Sundurslis wrote:

      Everyone here is guessing if Armin will obtain the size or strength of the Colossal titan. For me it ssems more interesting - if he could obtain Bertholds memories. Because this would change their strategy or the way they look at the world right now. We would get info about the Homeland, probably. And well, why not? after all, Eren is not from Reiss family and still was seing flashback of both his father's and Frieda's memories.

      It's exactly and most likely because Eren is not a Reiss that he has seen only ONE memory of a previous Reiss Coordinate holder so far and that's when Frieda was looking at a dresser mirror, combing her hair and he mistook her for Historia. And Eren had the Coordinate for over 5 years and still counting.

      Sundurslis wrote: Maybe I am overrating Isayama, but I really liked how he played with Flocke. Fandom got it that the only meaning of Flocke's survival was to bring Erwin. And here Flocke (Isayama) is telling it himself. Like if, Isayama was aware he is predictable and was not even hiding it.

       I don't like how the one soldier Isayama decided to spare from Zeke's carnage is Jean's look alike... lol honestly Floch looks very similar to Jean, same face and slightly same hair color.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote: Suppose he wasn't eaten... and they tried to get info out of him, I don't think he would spill the beans either and would remain silent until he can muster an ounce of engery to do a mini nuke blast again lmao.

      He probably wouldn't have told them anything, no matter what they tried. But if Armin now possesses his power, he may be able to access his memories, too, discovering information that could prove beneficial to the cause the Survey Corps have.

      It really wouldn't make sense if Armin suddenly started saying Bertolt's memories of his life before breaching the Walls and seeing his hometown when Eren had the Coordinate for over 5 years straight and only saw a previous user combing hair... especially when he's supposed to learn how to master the Coordinate through those previous users' memories! SMH

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    • PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:

      All right, I'm going to make one last argument and then I'll drop the subject entirely and never bring it up again. I didn't expect what I said to cause such a stir, and that's the last thing I wanted to do. Watch the first opening of the anime closely, about 15 seconds or so before it ends onwards. For a split second, it shows the shot of the Smiling Titan we all know and fear,  immediately followed by a shot of the Titan from Eren's dream. Why would the animators do this if it's the same Titan in both shots?

      The Smiling Titan appears at least four times in the opening if I'm not mistaken, and there are a lot of Titan mouths here and there, so I don't see what's so strange. And judging by the light, the frame with less teeth seems to be just an early version of the scene where it eats Carla, I assume they didn't bother to change it because *yaoming*:

      But anyway, it seems that the only reason for thinking that it's not the Smiling Titan it's because of the number of teeth, but you're omitting the fact that Armin's Titan has a lot more differences.

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    • I'm pretty sure memory inheritance is a Coordinate-exclusive trait. Bertolt and Ymir spoke briefly about the times when they ate someone to become a Titan shifter, and neither remembers who they ate to begin with, inheriting no memories from the person they ate.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Aggression25 wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote: Suppose he wasn't eaten... and they tried to get info out of him, I don't think he would spill the beans either and would remain silent until he can muster an ounce of engery to do a mini nuke blast again lmao.

      He probably wouldn't have told them anything, no matter what they tried. But if Armin now possesses his power, he may be able to access his memories, too, discovering information that could prove beneficial to the cause the Survey Corps have.
      It really wouldn't make sense if Armin suddenly started saying Bertolt's memories of his life before breaching the Walls and seeing his hometown when Eren had the Coordinate for over 5 years straight and only saw a previous user combing hair... especially when he's supposed to learn how to master the Coordinate through those previous users' memories! SMH

      What if he had some of the memories which may affect the characters, but not severly alter the plot? Like how Marco died, or something about their past? (Am I the only one who wants Jean to know how he died?) Also, while I agree that he will most likely NOT have his memories, it would be interesting to see if he got some of them. I am sort of glad that Armin's titan is not like the one in the OVA X,D But in all seriousness, I'm friggin hyped for the next chapter.. Will it be a flashback, or new plot info? FIND OUT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER!

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    • I'm not gonna lie, I'm rather disappointed with these past two chapters and the overall turn of events.

      For starters, what a complete waste of a perfectly good death scene. If this had been the death of Armin, before the Titan serum was brought up, it would have been an amazing way to go out that would live on as one of the series' most memorable and heartwrenching moments. Instead, it was just another bullsh*t fake out.

      I'll also admit that I am deeply saddened by Bertholdt's death. There is so much more that could have been done with him, particulaly with how the series has been hinting at how guilty he and the other Shifter's feel about their actions and the shame that had been plaguing them. How interesting would it have been to see that angle explored, to see him fleshed out, maybe see him start to question his own mission? Hopefully we'll see this done with Reiner and Annie, but I wold have much preferred to see the differentt effects it would have had on all three of them. It was just a massive waste of potential, and that's what these past two chapters have felt like to me, a waste of potential.

      In my opinion, from a storytelling perspective it would have been much better than to let both Armin and Erwin die, let Bertholdt live long enough to explore his character some more, and continue the story without the Titan Serum ever needing to come into play

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    • Tausendberg wrote:

      the Survey Corps are going to get whatever is in Grisha's basement, and if the homelanders left anything of value in whatever base the Quad refers to inside of Wall Maria the Survey Corps will get that too.

      I don't think that's what the Quad Titan meant by saying "they've passed the base", it's more like the base of a mountain or hill on the route they trekked to reach Shiganshina.

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    • ShadowsTwilight wrote:
      I'm not gonna lie, I'm rather disappointed with these past two chapters and the overall turn of events.

      For starters, what a complete waste of a perfectly good death scene. If this had been the death of Armin, before the Titan serum was brought up, it would have been an amazing way to go out that would live on as one of the series' most memorable and heartwrenching moments. Instead, it was just another bullsh*t fake out.

      I totally agree... I mean just observe the look on Armin's face... It was the look of a goner.

      Armin reminds Eren of his promise to see the ocean together
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    • Abbysfun wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Aggression25 wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote: Suppose he wasn't eaten... and they tried to get info out of him, I don't think he would spill the beans either and would remain silent until he can muster an ounce of engery to do a mini nuke blast again lmao.

      He probably wouldn't have told them anything, no matter what they tried. But if Armin now possesses his power, he may be able to access his memories, too, discovering information that could prove beneficial to the cause the Survey Corps have.
      It really wouldn't make sense if Armin suddenly started saying Bertolt's memories of his life before breaching the Walls and seeing his hometown when Eren had the Coordinate for over 5 years straight and only saw a previous user combing hair... especially when he's supposed to learn how to master the Coordinate through those previous users' memories! SMH

      What if he had some of the memories which may affect the characters, but not severly alter the plot? Like how Marco died, or something about their past? (Am I the only one who wants Jean to know how he died?) Also, while I agree that he will most likely NOT have his memories, it would be interesting to see if he got some of them. I am sort of glad that Armin's titan is not like the one in the OVA X,D But in all seriousness, I'm friggin hyped for the next chapter.. Will it be a flashback, or new plot info? FIND OUT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER!

      I don't see Armin actually saying much about Bertolt's past, but maybe being a guide to where the hometown is. He could even reveal answers to questions about their mission that they wouldn't answer to.

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    • Imagine if Armin swiched sides after realizing bertolts ideals and passions?

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote: Imagine if Armin swiched sides after realizing bertolts ideals and passions?

      No way! 😱😱😱

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      I don't see Armin actually saying much about Bertolt's past, but maybe being a guide to where the hometown is. He could even reveal answers to questions about their mission that they wouldn't answer to.

      GodKingReiss already made clear some comments above that memory inheritance is a Coordinate-exclusive trait. Armin won't get Bertolt's memories.

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    • I was honestly expecting Armin's Titan form to resemble what Mr. Hajime originally drew (in case everyone forgot).  What we saw instead....holy shit; his face is missing.  And I thought the Smiling Titan was the creepiest of them all.

      Good bye, Bertholdt.

      Anyway, I gave this a 9 out of 10.

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    • Rest in peace Bertl. The nightmare is finally over.

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote: Rest in peace Bertl. The nightmare is finally over.

      Where do you think he went after death? Heaven or Hell?

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    • Killed in the very place where he began the Titans' new reign of terror inside the walls, and by the people of that very town who's many friends and family are dead all because of him.

      Just to sum up, Bertolt is responsible for the deaths of Carla, Thomas, Nac Tius, Mylius Zacharius, Mina Carolina, Armin's Granddad, Mobilt, half the remaining Survey Corps, Marco, all had to die because of what Bertolt blindly committed himself to. And died by the means almost all of them did.

      Karma's a b**ch, and it had a bone to pick with Bertolt.

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    • I think he's in the middle, so Purgatory. I've never claimed he's completely innocent, but at least he'll finally be free of the pain on the surface. In fact, I feel nothing but pity for every character in AoT. Their waking moment is hell on Earth, death is a mercy in their universe.

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    • The only character I see going to hell is Zeke. Reiner and Bertolt might not be pure, but Zeke is the closest thing this series has to the devil.

      He uses child soldiers to complete his agenda, twisted and mutilated the bodies of innocent people by turning them into Titans, started a full fledged war against the fledgling humans, lies and manipulates to get what he wants, had Mike Zacharius die one of the most painful deaths possible.

      For all those saying Bertl is worst, then what does that make Zeke?

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    • I don't know guys, we're all talking about the implications of Bertolt but we still don't have any real conclusive proof of what exactly the Homelanders' agenda really is.

      Just saying. 

      (My theory is that citizens of the homelanders are basically the source of all the mindless titans in the world, that they are bound to that awful duty in some way of sacrificing their own to be made into dumb dumbs for possibly the rest of eternity and the only way out of this cycle is to basically capture the coordinate and use that to remake the world order by reprogramming the titans. It's the only thing I can think of that could make the Homelanders feel justified doing what they have done.)

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    • Also, if we're talking about the worst people...

      We still don't know why he did what he did but I think Grisha is actually a large part of the world's problems.

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    • Interesting theory. I always saw it as the homelanders being only of the only sources of serum in the world (hence why most of the shifters we see are from there). And the reason they want the Cordination is to avoid being devoured by the standard titans.

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    • Tausendberg wrote:
      I don't know guys, we're all talking about the implications of Bertolt but we still don't have any real conclusive proof of what exactly the Homelanders' agenda really is.

      Just saying. 

      (My theory is that citizens of the homelanders are basically the source of all the mindless titans in the world, that they are bound to that awful duty in some way of sacrificing their own to be made into dumb dumbs for possibly the rest of eternity and the only way out of this cycle is to basically capture the coordinate and use that to remake the world order by reprogramming the titans. It's the only thing I can think of that could make the Homelanders feel justified doing what they have done.)

      A very good and logical theory, in my opinion. I agree here with you. I had a theory that maybe "homelanders" were a part of humanity who were left outside the wall, all alone with dumb dumbs. for example, because Reiss could not control this part of humanity as they do with citizens inside the walls. But putting it all aside, indeed, the only justification could be that they want to survive, and the Walled humanity is on their way. 

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    • Just thinking:

      The page where Erwin was delusional and raised his hand when Levi was about to inject him. I am not sure why Levi suddenly changed his mind about Erwin exactly at that point, but I think this page and what Erwin says is of big improtance. To be honest, I don't really get the question ("regarding what supposedly does not exist" - what is he talking about??), and why his father had to stop the lesson that time after this. Maybe I just need to re-read that chapter.. but.. what if it is actually good, that Erwin passed away without learning what is in the basement. It was his goal, but what if the basement is not the answer?

      And choosing between Erwin and Armin, Armin's dream has more potential. He wants to go beyond the wall, while Erwin told Levi, that he want's to see that basement so badly. But what will he do after that? Erwin said he will know only when he fullfills the dream. So imagine if that basement would be a disappointment.

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    • Tausendberg, your theory made me think of Ymir and "Ymir's people". I remember in one chapter she was saying something like "it's good to be a godess". Most probably she comes from another Noble family, similar to Reiss. Maybe something happened 100+ years ago between these 2 nations (?) And "Ymir's people" were turned into dumb dumbs (Ymir included), while Reiss took control of his folks. This would somehow explain, why Ymir cares about Historia so much, as she is a chance to change Reiss rule from the inside.

      By the way, dumb dumbs seem to be suffering very much. There have been many hints on this. The very first one I remember is in the opening 1 - the scene showing titans invading through the hole, one of them holding his head as if he is in pain or smth. Then all these talks about neverending nightmares, that Ilse's titan. and the fact that these are people turned into titans, who don't need to eat (seems like solar energy is enough for them), but still need to devour humans, most brobably against their will.

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      OMG you guys, Ereri is canon. ERERI IS CANON!Levi assaults Eren
      That's Love Bitch
      Ereri Shipped!
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    • Just one final question for today (probably :) ). Why that SantaClaus dumb dumb, who ate Eren didn't gain the Shifter's ability? 

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    • Sundurslis wrote:
      Just one final question for today (probably :) ). Why that SantaClaus dumb dumb, who ate Eren didn't gain the Shifter's ability? 


      because he ate him whole, he should have digested his spinal fluid to be a shifter

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    • CommonSwift wrote:
      Sundurslis wrote:
      Just one final question for today (probably :) ). Why that SantaClaus dumb dumb, who ate Eren didn't gain the Shifter's ability? 

      because he ate him whole, he should have digested his spinal fluid to be a shifter

      oh.. right :) forgot about that :P Thanks :)

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    • Tausendberg wrote:

      I don't know guys, we're all talking about the implications of Bertolt but we still don't have any real conclusive proof of what exactly the Homelanders' agenda really is.

      Just saying.

      (My theory is that citizens of the homelanders are basically the source of all the mindless titans in the world, that they are bound to that awful duty in some way of sacrificing their own to be made into dumb dumbs for possibly the rest of eternity and the only way out of this cycle is to basically capture the coordinate and use that to remake the world order by reprogramming the titans. It's the only thing I can think of that could make the Homelanders feel justified doing what they have done.)

      I see the opposite. I see many people taking for granted that Bertolt is in the right and that his ulterior motives are strong enough to justify a genocide, but I see nobody considering the possibility that maybe they are not, and that maybe when we learn those reasons we'll find out that he was never right after all.

      My own theory is that the ancestors of the people within the Walls were monsters who did unthinkable atrocities to the people of the Hometown and subjected them to a number of experiments (kind of nazi concentration camp) which led to the creation of the Titans, but that experiment backfired and they were forced to protect themselves within the Walls. Maybe as a result of the experiments or the threat of the Titans or something else, the people of the Hometown is suffering and dying, and their only salvation is by retrieving the Coordinate.

      That still leaves us with a main problem: it doesn't explain why it is necessary to kill the people within the Walls. They could retrieve the Coordinate and leave the rest of the people living in peace.

      • It cannot be for revenge because you cannot blame people for the sins of others. Those people were not the ones who did those atrocities to the Hometown, it were their ancestors. The current inhabitants of the Walls are innocents and don't even know their own past.
      • If it's strictly necessary to kill them, like some course that can only be lifted until the last descendant of the monsters is dead, that still means that you're massacring a whole innocent race in order to save your own, which is the intrinsically egoistic problem of which I talked in more detail here. That'd be a life or death situation, but still doesn't leaves you on a good light, because it means we have two innocent races, one prioritizing their own survival at the cost of the destruction of the other, and the Hometown are now on the side of the monsters, doing to the people within the Walls the same atrocities their ancestors did to them (and of which their descendants have no fault at all).

      I don't know but it's very hard to imagine a reason strong enough to justify a genocide, and I don't really think that reason exists at all. If Isayama can come up with a convincing story, I will praise him as the greatest manga author in history.

      Aggression25 wrote:

      Where do you think he went after death? Heaven or Hell?

      If we take into account the Christian Bible, he would certainly go to Hell. Christianity forbids killing in its Ten Commandments, demands the repentance of sins as condition to get the salvation of the soul, and advices that martyrdom is preferable over disobeying God's laws. Bertolt killed lots of people, close to his death embraced his sins rather than regret them, and prioritized his own goals over the lives of others, so by those standards he would go to Hell.

      However, this is a religious issue and I don't think Christianity exists in the AoT universe, considering that the main religion is the Church of the Walls and they surely have very different laws.

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    • I'm not trying justify Genocide Manuel, let's not even go down that path. I always preface that I do not condone all his actions, and do agree like any rational person that genocide is a bad thing. Now that you mention Christianity, I wonder if the Wall Cults were based on Cathalism? I firmly believe from some of the hints given to us (some ethnicities like German, Slavic, and Asian existing, and Zeke's references to baseball) that AoT is a post apocalyptic version of our world hundreds of years in the future. So maybe the Wall Cult could inspiration from the remnants of the Catholic Church.

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    • I see religions in fiction story as a sign of too serious, nonsenses and impractical because most religious are created depending on someone's will,In such story like aot this things are measles.

      Just like wall cult , they're completely nonsense saying these walls are a give of God but we saw that actually they are just an organization that created to deceive people and protect the truth of the walls.it makes sense that they said this nonsense just for their own importance

      We could accept the existense of the wall cult when we know the truth but try to imagine if they are just a simple religious party but with many followers,they will try to spread their influence to everyone 


      - People are sensitive when it comes to religious but this is just how i see it in aot so DON'T relate it in reality -

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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:
      I just feel sorry for Bertolt's character. All I see among the fandom is a cry of praise that he's dead. Kinda harshens the mood. The only Titan shifters who I believe deserve to die are Reiner and Zeke. Zeke for obvious reasons, but Reiner because he became past saving. Plus, I think he was ready to die when Hange started torturing him.

      Actually, you do bring up a good point.  For whatever reason I felt more of a personal connection with Bertholdt than with Reiner.  I always thought that Bertholdt had the "weakest will" of the Warriors (he, Reiner, Annie), that deep down he had qualms about having to kill people.  In short, there was something about him with which people could empathize.  Personally, this is where my reaction to his death is just "Goodbye, Bertholdt," a statement that doesn't harbor joy, but his death was inevitable.  Though I have to admit that I didn't expect his death to be by being eaten, let alone by Armin.

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    • I don't see how we could talk about Bertolt without touching the issue of the genocide, because the main factor in the discussion of whether he should be considered "good" or "evil" is the presence or absence of a reason strong enough to justify his actions, which are, genocide. If his reasons are in fact strong, then we could understand his situation; if they turn out to be lame, then he's doomed. And the threshold is way too high to be taken lightly and assuming that he in fact has good reasons without considering the possibility that maybe he doesn't have them and was always in the wrong. It will be interesting to see how Isayama will deal with this, because in my eyes, I'll need a goddamn extraordinarily strong reason to stop thinking that he's fighting for some intrinsically egoistic motive and therefore he deserves what happened to him.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      GodKingReiss wrote:
      What I'm wondering is whether or not Armin will inherit Bertolt's Colossus Titan powers. I dunno when he'll transform next, but the next transformation will answer a lot of questions about how Titan shifting works.

      I personally believe when he transforms for the first time his Titan form wouldn't be bigger than Eren's. Tune in next year to find out, lol.

      I still don't understand why so many people thinks that Armin will get another appearance after eating Bertolt, and I contend that Ymir is a very good example that Shifters don't take the appearance of the Shifters they eat:

      Also quoting Rod in chapter 64:

      "Historia! Don't worry, this shot will let you become a powerful Titan. I chose the Titan that was most suited to battle."

      Meaning "you'll take the Titan form given by this serum I chose for you, not whatever form Eren has".

      It seems that idea started after we knew that Eren's original Titan form was different than the current one, but again, I still think it was just the result of aging or something like that. It's easy to see the relation, isn't it?

      Eren's aging and Titan forms

      Regardless of whether the change was caused due to aging or eating another Shifter, his lips (or lack of), shape of the jaw and elongated ears clearly show that it was the same form and that it just "grew up".

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    • Those are all astute observations but considering how the colossal titan appears to work on somewhat different principles (for example, it vanishes completely and seemingly instantly when the shifter disembarks from it) then perhaps Armin will end up...

      Ah, nevermind, we'll find out soon enough. 

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    • Armin's Shifter form should still look better than his horrendous mindless Titan form... with those nightmare inducing face, teeth and not to mention it had no eyeballs... was it because Armin was badly burned before gotten injected that his Titan's eyes turned out like that? But his Titan's hair sure sprouted fine......

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    • Tausendberg wrote:

      Ah, nevermind, we'll find out soon enough. 

      I don't think we'll see Armin transforming back to Titan until after they find the basement, return to Wall Rose and Hange begins experimenting with him; which yeah, could take a year or so, LOL.

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      Armin's Shifter form should still look better than his horrendous mindless Titan form... with those nightmare inducing face, teeth and not to mention it had no eyeballs... was it because Armin was badly burned before gotten injected that his Titan's eyes turned out like that? But his Titan's hair sure sprouted fine......

      C'mon, he looks the same as the Female Titan but sexier because he doesn't have Annie's big nose:

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    • Why didn't they just go with the OVA form?

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    • What are you talking about? Annie has a very fine nose.

      (I know I know, each their own, and all that.)

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    • Ethan Harmicar123 wrote:

      Why didn't they just go with the OVA form?

      Could you really take the sadness and tragedy of chapter seriously after seeing this?

      Armin Titan pervert eyes
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    • Tausendberg wrote:

      What are you talking about? Annie has a very fine nose.

      (I know I know, each their own, and all that.)

      Annie Squidward
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    • The hell... looks like Armin and Eren really gonna split up after all-.-

      That's a page from the new AoT ANSWERS Guidebook.

      Link to some other pages translated in Tumblr: http://ningen-suki.tumblr.com/

      Page from AoT ANSWERS book
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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      The hell... looks like Armin and Eren really gonna split up after all-.-

      That's a page from the new AoT ANSWERS Guidebook.

      Link to some other pages translated in Tumblr: http://ningen-suki.tumblr.com/

      Page from AoT ANSWERS book

      I hold to the idea that Bertolt's memories aren't being inherited, but I can definitely see how this new chapter will lead to a split between Eren and Armin.

      Armin's been saved, but the Commander of the Survey Corps has died in his place. There's no doubt that Armin will object to this, let alone being saved at the expense of two human lives to begin with.

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    • That's just a fragment of Fukushuu's translation:

      INTRODUCTION: At last, whilst surrounding the basement, the faceoff between humanity and Titans has arrived. How exactly does our author see the trio of Eren, Mikasa, and Armin, who have returned to Shiganshina once again? Let us speak to Isayama-sensei regarding the direction of their growths.

      – We have finally reached the thrilling Battle for Shiganshina! Compared to the beginning of the story, the main trio are now much more experienced.

      Isayama: The Eren at the start used rage as his motivation. The type of anger he possessed mainly stemmed from frustration at his inability to leave the walls. Of course, the murder of his mother and other injustices both became sources also. His retaliation against such pressures triggered all this fury, and that’s what this series describes at first.

      – In that case, is the Eren in manga volume 3 - the Eren battling Titans yet still under the suspicion of humans - still reacting with the same type of anger?

      Isayama: Actually for that scene, I actually think I portrayed Eren a bit too calmly. The Eren at that time didn’t want to involve Mikasa and Armin, but he also realized that he cannot resolve anything alone. That’s when he became more reliant on Armin little by little. To this day, I still wonder, “Ah, how should I illustrate that kind of sentiment?” Even though Eren is the one who will advance the plot, it was important for Armin to gain self-confidence through some sort of “rite of passage.” The scene should have that feeling.

      – Indeed, through using that scene as a release valve for development, not only does Eren gain growth, Armin can change and mature as well.

      Isayama: Even though Armin always clutched to the wish of “being with Eren and Mikasa forever,” his self-doubt of “I’ll never compare to these two” always lingers. On the one hand he wonders if he’s “powerless and useless,” but he still denies it stubbornly with “that can’t be the case, right?” While possessing this attitude, he follows Eren and Mikasa closely. The valve’s “release” came when Eren and Mikasa both relied on Armin, leading him to also gain confidence in the idea of “being together is wonderful.” However, the Armin right now likely has inferiority bubbling inside him, so he may have a different perspective than others.

      – So in the upcoming developments, Armin’s desire to catch up to Eren and Mikasa will guide his actions, leading to him potentially deviating his methods from those of his friends? Will Mikasa still be as calm as before?

      Isayama: For Mikasa personally, protecting Eren is priority no matter what, even if she has to take part in some petty actions secretly. But towards Armin and the others, she believes that they should be capable of taking care of themselves. For Mikasa, the “rite of passage” that was her parents’ tragic deaths had overwhelming influence on her. When they were killed, the world she had believed in utterly crumbled, and Mikasa was awakened under those circumstances - losing all of her innocence in the process. At that time Eren allowed her to discover renewed value again, like that of a newborn bird’s first glimpse at a grown one - it was that kind of admiration and trust. Thus, she swore to follow Eren. However, Eren was actually even more childish than Mikasa. As his committed caretaker, she also thinks at times, “Ay, what a worrisome child.” (laughs)

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    • The full excerpt is not that dramatic, it only talks about differences in perspective, which were pointed out in this latest chapter. Eren is motivated by rage, Armin by dreams, Eren prioritized the survival of his friend, while Armin was willing to die and give up his dreams for the good of mankind. Eren has a more feelings-centered attitude while Armin is more level-headed and unselfish, and I think that difference in perspective will come into play in future events.

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    • GodKingReiss wrote:

      I hold to the idea that Bertolt's memories aren't being inherited, but I can definitely see how this new chapter will lead to a split between Eren and Armin.

      Armin's been saved, but the Commander of the Survey Corps has died in his place. There's no doubt that Armin will object to this, let alone being saved at the expense of two human lives to begin with.

      Dammit, I didn't notice that you beat me. But yeah, that was what I was talking about. Armin won't take well the news that he was chosen over Erwin.

      Don't worry, Armin, I'm with you. I also think that you should be dead. ^^

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    • So where's that Volume 20 epilogue D: I wanna see it so bad I know it was just released but somebody is bound to buy it and capture the end pages.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      So where's that Volume 20 epilogue D: I wanna see it so bad I know it was just released but somebody is bound to buy it and capture the end pages.

      I'm almost sure that there was never an epilogue and it was just a mistranslation of the interview. I haven't searched for information of the volume yet, though.

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    • I know discussions of morality and genocide are going to come in when talking about Bertl, Manuel. I just didn't want this to devolve into petty insults. I wanna respect and dignify my fellow wikimen.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      So where's that Volume 20 epilogue D: I wanna see it so bad I know it was just released but somebody is bound to buy it and capture the end pages.

      I'm almost sure that there was never an epilogue and it was just a mistranslation of the interview. I haven't searched for information of the volume yet, though.
      Damn, too bad. The last one was so long ago should've guessed there wouldn't be another one, I suppose.
      Surprised-Koala
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    • MasteroftheWastes wrote:

      I know discussions of morality and genocide are going to come in when talking about Bertl, Manuel. I just didn't want this to devolve into petty insults. I wanna respect and dignify my fellow wikimen.

      I don't see anyone insulting anyone. :/

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      Damn, too bad. The last one was so long ago should've guessed there wouldn't be another one, I suppose.
      Surprised-Koala

      I just made a little research but couldn't find any information of the volume from people who has bought it; although I found a lot of mentions of the epilogue but all refer to the interview, and I assume all of them also come from Fukushuu's translation of it, so it's impossible to tell.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:
      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      This is all so brutal, I love it.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:
      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.


      ...I need a poster of that...


      ...damn now that I think of it I can't make anymore toasted Armin jokes T-T

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      GodKingReiss wrote:

      I hold to the idea that Bertolt's memories aren't being inherited, but I can definitely see how this new chapter will lead to a split between Eren and Armin.

      Armin's been saved, but the Commander of the Survey Corps has died in his place. There's no doubt that Armin will object to this, let alone being saved at the expense of two human lives to begin with.

      Dammit, I didn't notice that you beat me. But yeah, that was what I was talking about. Armin won't take well the news that he was chosen over Erwin.

      Don't worry, Armin, I'm with you. I also think that you should be dead. ^^


      He had the coolest death in the series, and was robbed of it. Do any of his friends even realize how hard it will be for him to one-up being burned alive by the Colossus Titan and dropped off Wall Maria? He's going to need to be shredded by the Beast Titan's rocks, crushed by Reiner, and then torn to pieces by those Colossal Titans inside the Walls, at the least.

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      He had the coolest death in the series, and was robbed of it. Do any of his friends even realize how hard it will be for him to one-up being burned alive by the Colossus Titan and dropped off Wall Maria? He's going to need to be shredded by the Beast Titan's rocks, crushed by Reiner, and then torn to pieces by those Colossal Titans inside the Walls, at the least.

      Or...

      I should kill everyone and escape


      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK

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    • what if bertolt some how possesses Arwin. it would be a good twist. here is my idea. knowing that he might get eating by an enemy shifter. zeke had him train in a method to transfer his soul into whom ever eats him. they could have awrin battle bertolt in his subconcious. 

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Neetaku wrote:

      He had the coolest death in the series, and was robbed of it. Do any of his friends even realize how hard it will be for him to one-up being burned alive by the Colossus Titan and dropped off Wall Maria? He's going to need to be shredded by the Beast Titan's rocks, crushed by Reiner, and then torn to pieces by those Colossal Titans inside the Walls, at the least.

      Or...

      I should kill everyone and escape


      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK

      Wow! Nearly died laughing at Version 2. Armin, Jean, Kuchel, and the Survey Corps are my favorite squares.

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    • Hey guys! Did you notice that Mikasa is 1000000000x stronger than Levi? '_' Just wow...

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    • WarlordEditor wrote:

      Hey guys! Did you notice that Mikasa is 1000000000x stronger than Levi? '_' Just wow...

      Levi had just turned the Beast Titan and his whole army into sushi, he obviously had to be weakened. But their true difference in power is visible in their fights against Annie in the Titan Forest: Mikasa was unable to stop her, while Levi destroyed her in like 2 seconds.

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    • WarlordEditor wrote:
      Hey guys! Did you notice that Mikasa is 1000000000x stronger than Levi? '_' Just wow...


      I noticed how Levi just finished a killing spree during which he killed at least a dozen Titans, using up all of his Vertical Equipment's gas and completely draining his energy in the process. I noticed how Mikasa actually noted after she attacked him that he seemed weaker than usual.

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    • @Neetaku: I beat you. xD

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    • @Manuel de la Fuente: >:/

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK

      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.

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    • WarlordEditor wrote:
      Hey guys! Did you notice that Mikasa is 1000000000x stronger than Levi? '_' Just wow...

      Well she gave Floch a death stare had it not been for Hanji, Mikasa could've have wounded him.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK
      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.

      I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Quad is a Shifter, Isayama just won't admit it yet. It's sort of a *nudge nudge wink wink* thing at this point.

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    • I was hopping around Tumblr when I can across this post

      Isayama said that both Mikasa and Levi have knight like roles and that's because they encoutered a boss like figure and they desire to work for them.

      The same could be said about Kenny who encountered Uri, but then he died and as we saw Kenny wasn't a particulary strong Arkerman could this be connected to the fact he lost his boss figure?

      Does this mean Levi will get weaker now that Edwin is dead?

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    • Neetaku wrote:
      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK
      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.
      I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Quad is a Shifter, Isayama just won't admit it yet. It's sort of a *nudge nudge wink wink* thing at this point.

      Yeah lookie lookie the only Hometown Titan Shifter that actually resembles normal Titans. He's not colossal, skinless or has hardened plates or fur for that matter. Granted we didn't see Marcel's Titan form but I bet it had spikes, lmao.

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK
      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.
      I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Quad is a Shifter, Isayama just won't admit it yet. It's sort of a *nudge nudge wink wink* thing at this point.
      Yeah lookie lookie the only Hometown Titan Shifter that actually resembles normal Titans. He's not huge, skinless or has hardened plates or fur for that matter.


      Imagine if he ends up being Annie's Dad, he sure got the nose XD

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    • CommonSwift wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK
      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.
      I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Quad is a Shifter, Isayama just won't admit it yet. It's sort of a *nudge nudge wink wink* thing at this point.
      Yeah lookie lookie the only Hometown Titan Shifter that actually resembles normal Titans. He's not huge, skinless or has hardened plates or fur for that matter.


      Imagine if he ends up being Annie's Dad, he sure got the nose XD

      LOOOOOOOOL. I certainly wouldn't expect less from Mr. Leonhart.

      By the way, I have to congratulate the author for this part:

      Crunchyroll scumbags
      Applause
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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      CommonSwift wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Chapter 84 Character Status Chart

      Edit: forgot the source.

      Version 2 by /a/SnK
      "Ended up being the only fully compitent shifter" Lol they got that right. Finally someone else thinks the Quad Titan is a Shifter.
      I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Quad is a Shifter, Isayama just won't admit it yet. It's sort of a *nudge nudge wink wink* thing at this point.
      Yeah lookie lookie the only Hometown Titan Shifter that actually resembles normal Titans. He's not huge, skinless or has hardened plates or fur for that matter.

      Imagine if he ends up being Annie's Dad, he sure got the nose XD

      LOOOOOOOOL. I certainly wouldn't expect less from Mr. Leonhart.

      By the way, I have to congratulate the author for this part:

      Crunchyroll scumbags
      Applause

      LOL, that was definitely my favorite of all of them... Well, there was a good one for Isayama to, but that Crunchyroll one was my favorite by far.

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    • Glad to see we're not the only ones who've taken issue with their BS. :P

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      GodKingReiss wrote:
      What I'm wondering is whether or not Armin will inherit Bertolt's Colossus Titan powers. I dunno when he'll transform next, but the next transformation will answer a lot of questions about how Titan shifting works.

      I personally believe when he transforms for the first time his Titan form wouldn't be bigger than Eren's. Tune in next year to find out, lol.

      I still don't understand why so many people thinks that Armin will get another appearance after eating Bertolt, and I contend that Ymir is a very good example that Shifters don't take the appearance of the Shifters they eat:

      Also quoting Rod in chapter 64:

      "Historia! Don't worry, this shot will let you become a powerful Titan. I chose the Titan that was most suited to battle."

      Meaning "you'll take the Titan form given by this serum I chose for you, not whatever form Eren has".

      It seems that idea started after we knew that Eren's original Titan form was different than the current one, but again, I still think it was just the result of aging or something like that. It's easy to see the relation, isn't it?

      Eren's aging and Titan forms

      Regardless of whether the change was caused due to aging or eating another Shifter, his lips (or lack of), shape of the jaw and elongated ears clearly show that it was the same form and that it just "grew up".

      I believe it's adaptation that causes the Titan Shifter's new form to look the way it does once it's revealed. The mindless Titan adjusts to the power taken from the Shifter and assumes the appropriate form once the human reasserts their awareness.

      Also, the Titan Shifter page says that their powers get transferred upon being devoured.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Also, the Titan Shifter page says that their powers get transferred upon being devoured.

      Some lines above it clarifies:

      "The Titan Shifters also gain the Titan's ability to regenerate, capable of vastly improved healing abilities and regenerating lost limbs even in their human forms."

      Those are the powers it is talking about. I added a new paragraph explaining this in more detail.

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    • 18n0ww
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    • Spotty ON wrote:
      18n0ww

      Nope, he didn't kill Erwin, and he's the only one who has killed an enemy Titan Shifter, which is far more than anyone in those Walls has done (with the exception of the Reiss family, who just kill themselves, Grisha, and Eren who technically killed an ally Titan Shifter). Even Levi just let escape three of them.

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    • ^ Lol that pic certainly is funny but it's one human kill actually and it was unintentional because he was a mindless Titan.

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    • Well he killed that woman and Bert none the less so I count it.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      (with the exception of the Reiss family, who just kill themselves, Grisha, and Eren who technically killed an ally Titan Shifter).

      It's not like Eren had a say in the matter, same as Armin actually. That allied Shifter is the one who chose to end his life by injecting Eren and stand in front of his mindless Titan and went as far as raising his arms for the Titan to get a better grip lmao.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:
      Spotty ON wrote:
      18n0ww
      Nope, he didn't kill Erwin, and he's the only one who has killed an enemy Titan Shifter, which is far more than anyone in those Walls has done (with the exception of the Reiss family, who just kill themselves, Grisha, and Eren who technically killed an ally Titan Shifter). Even Levi just let escape three of them.

      Also buddy, I didn't say anything about him killing Erwin, it is a simple picture with his stats. He killed one woman and Bert, that's it. Why are you turning this into an arguement? It is just suppose to be a funny picture, lay off the seriousness. 

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    • Spotty ON wrote:
      Well he killed that woman and Bert none the less so I count it.

      Oh, yeah, I forgot about that woman.

      AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      It's not like Eren had a say in the matter, same as Armin actually. That allied Shifter is the one who chose to end his life by injecting Eren and stand in front of his mindless Titan and went as far as raising his arms for the Titan to get a better grip lmao.

      Don't ruin the fun... ¬_¬

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    • Spotty ON wrote:

      Also buddy, I didn't say anything about him killing Erwin, it is a simple picture with his stats. He killed one woman and Bert, that's it. Why are you turning this into an arguement? It is just suppose to be a funny picture, lay off the seriousness. 

      You can blame AhmedHadi1 for that, LOL.

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:

      Spotty ON wrote:

      Also buddy, I didn't say anything about him killing Erwin, it is a simple picture with his stats. He killed one woman and Bert, that's it. Why are you turning this into an arguement? It is just suppose to be a funny picture, lay off the seriousness. 

      You can blame AhmedHadi1 for that, LOL.

      Lol nice try but your comment was before mine xP

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:

      Lol nice try but your comment was before mine xP

      You gave the finishing blow. And killed my comment on the way, so that's two killed comments for you.

      AhmedHadi1:

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    • Last time I checked I wasn't a comedian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ lol that's a good starting point for a killstreak xD

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    • This essay I found on Tumblr really made me feel like I half-read this chapter. Thought-provoking and changed my perspective of the characters some. What about you guys?

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    • CeruleanNightHawk wrote:
      This essay I found on Tumblr really made me feel like I half-read this chapter. Thought-provoking and changed my perspective of the characters some. What about you guys?

      Tumblr:(Long-winded explanation) bla,bla,bla,bla,bla.....

      You:zzz...

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    • Manuel de la Fuente wrote:
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      Edit: forgot the source.

      - Quad Titan -

      STATUS : ALIVE

      Best GIRL (wait does this means quad is a girl!?)

      saves Titan shifters in the kick of timeme

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    • CeruleanNightHawk wrote:
      This essay I found on Tumblr really made me feel like I half-read this chapter. Thought-provoking and changed my perspective of the characters some. What about you guys?
      The adding of those flashback pages sure was profound. They also explain how Levi came to his decision and that Erwin didn't really reject the injection like many people thought he did and somebody actually made this pic ↓
      Erwin choosing grave
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    • So I think the biggest revelation thus far is that Grisha and Zeke are definintely connected if not outright related. Can't wait so see what's in that basement after so long

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    • Fredboink wrote: So I think the biggest revelation thus far is that Grisha and Zeke are definintely connected if not outright related. Can't wait so see what's in that basement after so long

      No doubt it will be a shocker.

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